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Old 12-01-2010, 09:17 AM
 
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Food safety is a national security issue. Next.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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But then you'd still have the federally guaranteed products next to the non guaranteed stuff on the shelf, room for contamination.

Its a public health issue. Wide spread disease is something that could effect us all, and is an important federal responsibility, protecting the homeland.

I'm not going to sit here and say I know how much it costs to run a farm now, in truth I have no idea. Personally, I think we should just irradiate all of the food before it comes to market, kill every living bacteria and/or virus on it, and be done with it. But then environmentalists would throw a fit because its radiation, even though every study ever done shows that irradiating food has no effect on the food, except making it sterile.

I see your point about stopping growth beyond a certain point. But I don't know if the regulations they are putting in place are so drastic beyond current measures that its that much more of a burden on smaller farmers.
you don't have to do anything. the consumer will decide. if i want to shop at a store which mixes the products of federally regulated products and non regulated products, that is my concern. if i believe strongly in the federal regulations i would only shop at stores which stock only regulated products.

it has nothing to do with environmentalists. if you want to eat irradiated food, that is your business. if i don't, that is my business, period! part of our natural defenses against disease is that we're subject to constant attack. if you remove all bacteria you might also remove our bodies natural capability to deal with bacteria.

this has absolutely nothing to do with public health. it's about control. you are also wrong on that front, it is none of the govts business what i eat and i certainly don't want their protection with regard to the food i eat. their job is to protect my liberty and my property, nothing else
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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............this has absolutely nothing to do with public health. it's about control. you are also wrong on that front, it is none of the govts business what i eat and i certainly don't want their protection with regard to the food i eat. their job is to protect my liberty and my property, nothing else

^^^ In bold, worth repeating!
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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That is 100% false. You are only considered a "farm" if you are selling your produce for profit to the public. Anyone can have a backyard garden and grow food for themselves.
From the bill:

“Require that each person (excluding farms and restaurants) who manufactures, processes, packs, distributes, receives, holds, or imports an article of food permit inspection of his or her records if the Secretary believes that there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to such food will cause serious adverse health consequences or death.â€

I'm not sure what to make of this "each person" comment, why person and not business? Does that mean this bill allows the FDA to control the actions of mom's canned goods, or the person who grows a small garden and attends the local farmer's market?
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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Food safety is a national security issue. Next.
Then why is the FDA still importing food product from China?

Got melamine?

Nope, if the FDA were really concerned about food safety we would not be importing any food product from China. Most glutens in our foods, human and anmial, are just that.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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That is 100% false. You are only considered a "farm" if you are selling your produce for profit to the public. Anyone can have a backyard garden and grow food for themselves.
so here is my plan. i've been looking at some acreage down in florida for some time. on this acreage i want to plant some fruit trees and a large vegetable garden. my idea is that instead of having my kids indoors watching video games and jersey shore, i might be able to get them to learn about growing food, about how a business works, about responsibily etc by getting them to help me tend this garden. the benefits to them are that they can take what's spare to the local farmers market and earn themselves a bit of pocket money. i'm willing to bet the farm that in time the bureaucrats will have their say on it to a point where dealing with them won't be worth the effort
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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Then why is the FDA still importing food product from China?

Got melamine?

Nope, if the FDA were really concerned about food safety we would not be importing any food product from China. Most glutens in our foods, human and anmial, are just that.
LOL...I didn't realize that FDA is a private company. Do you have a FDA grocery store in your neighborhood?
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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so here is my plan. i've been looking at some acreage down in florida for some time. on this acreage i want to plant some fruit trees and a large vegetable garden. my idea is that instead of having my kids indoors watching video games and jersey shore, i might be able to get them to learn about growing food, about how a business works, about responsibily etc by getting them to help me tend this garden. the benefits to them are that they can take what's spare to the local farmers market and earn themselves a bit of pocket money. i'm willing to bet the farm that in time the bureaucrats will have their say on it to a point where dealing with them won't be worth the effort

Sorry, but who will be held responsible if you are selling pesticide or mercury laden produce to consumers?
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Food safety is a national security issue. Next.

the debate is settled! where have i heard that one before?
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:57 AM
 
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Sorry, but who will be held responsible if you are selling pesticide or mercury laden produce to consumers?

yup, that's been a huge problem throughout the history of the world, little girls going to farmers markets and lacing the potatoes with mercury. i hate to break it to you but the world revolves around a certain element of trust. the same trust you give to a 16 year old with a dodge durango that he isn't going to wait around some preschool for closing time so he can mow down 20 kids. the same trust you give to the school bus driver that he isn't going to intentially drive his bus off a cliff with your kids inside. the same trust that you give to your dr that he isn't going to poison you etc. occassionally bad things happen and there isn't a thing that govt can do to stop them from happening. by the way, what in the bill is protecting you from someone going in to walmart and injecting the apples with arsenic? the truth is that absolute safety and security is a myth. you can try all you want to stop certain things from happening but at the end of the day you sometimes have to weigh up whether the govt cure is worse than the disease.
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