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Old 12-01-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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It all depends what you consider "small". One particularly notable incident is a repeating offender, the Estrella Family Creamery in Washington state. Ironically, the family's viewpoints are much like the views of the people that oppose the bill. They've had several recalls this year alone.
According to the article, no illnesses were linked to their cheeses. Earlier, they voluntarily recalled some cheeses when they found some bacteria. The FDA shut them down when they had some positive swabs for bacteria in the cheese cave, even though none of the cheeses were contaminated.

So the FDA has shut down a small business that made no one sick.
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Barrington, IL area
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According to the article, no illnesses were linked to their cheeses. Earlier, they voluntarily recalled some cheeses when they found some bacteria. The FDA shut them down when they had some positive swabs for bacteria in the cheese cave, even though none of the cheeses were contaminated.

So the FDA has shut down a small business that made no one sick.
That's the whole point - why should people have to get sick before there's a recall? The company manufactured products which were unsafe, and could have caused illness or death, and yet they refused to recall the cheese until the FDA forced them to! That's EXACTLY why we need this bill.
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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That's the whole point - why should people have to get sick before there's a recall? The company manufactured products which were unsafe, and could have caused illness or death, and yet they refused to recall the cheese until the FDA forced them to! That's EXACTLY why we need this bill.
I agree that no one wants to get sick and if the FDA finds bacteria known to cause illnesses they need to correct it.

But what does that have to do with the other regulations Salatin complained about in his article? Why should there be a blanket prohibition on a small farmer slaughtering his own beef on his own farm, assuming he has to follow FDA regs in the slaughtering process? If s/he has adequate facilities and wants to sell the beef from the farm, why should s/he be subject to the same regulations as WalMart, regarding parking, restrooms, ADA compliance, etc.? What does that have to do with food safety?
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Barrington, IL area
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I agree that no one wants to get sick and if the FDA finds bacteria known to cause illnesses they need to correct it.

But what does that have to do with the other regulations Salatin complained about in his article? Why should there be a blanket prohibition on a small farmer slaughtering his own beef on his own farm, assuming he has to follow FDA regs in the slaughtering process? If s/he has adequate facilities and wants to sell the beef from the farm, why should s/he be subject to the same regulations as WalMart, regarding parking, restrooms, ADA compliance, etc.? What does that have to do with food safety?
It has to do with creating a level of quality control standards for all of the food producers, so that whether the business is big or small, there is little chance of public health risk.
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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But it's not requiring the small farmers to follow standards--that would be very understandable. It prohibits them from processing beef on their farms and from selling it unless they conform to the same standards as a WalMart regarding restrooms, etc. How does that promote health and safety?
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington, IL area
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But it's not requiring the small farmers to follow standards--that would be very understandable. It prohibits them from processing beef on their farms and from selling it unless they conform to the same standards as a WalMart regarding restrooms, etc. How does that promote health and safety?
Where does it say that in the Food Safety Modernization Act? I saw that in the acrticle, but not in the act.
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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If you want to have some "fun", write a polite inquiry to your Congresscritter and ask if the term "person" applies to All Americans, or just to a subset who have consented to be governed.

And ask if the law in question has any force and effect in the United States of America (not to be confused with the "United States, in Congress assembled")?

Then ask where is the constitutional delegation of power to enact such legislation.

{Do not hold your breath awaiting an answer.}
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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Watched it twice, never once heard the words "Food", "Safety", "Modernization", "Act". Sorry, try again. Your video has nothing to do with the FDA or food safety, only the EPA for entirely different matters.

sorry dude, that bill video wasn't on the topic of this bill. that vid was just a demonstration of how these regulations end up harming small business in general.
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Old 12-01-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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It all depends what you consider "small". One particularly notable incident is a repeating offender, the Estrella Family Creamery in Washington state. Ironically, the family's viewpoints are much like the views of the people that oppose the bill. They've had several recalls this year alone.

yup, and the message is quite clear, you are free not to buy from estrella creamery. also, if you do get sick you can seek damages in a court of law. that's how the system works. obviously the fda doesn't see it that way. their jobs depend on them stringing up red herrings on a daily basis. if there aren't any problems, their budget and power shrink.
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Old 12-01-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Where does it say that in the Food Safety Modernization Act? I saw that in the acrticle, but not in the act.
Sorry--I wasn't clear. The FDA already prohibits small farmers from processing meat on their premises. I don't see how that promotes anyone's health and safety.

I can't cite a statute for that. I know about it because there is an organic family farm in our community and the farmer told us about it. They can slaughter their own poultry, but not their beef.

Also, I'm assuming what Salatin said in his article is true. Do you have any reason to believe he's lying or exaggerating about the regs he's complaining about?
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