Republicans should love Obama (poll, stats, premium, extremist)

[Sunny-Days-in-Florida]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

so your answer is make 'people' pay more

when is it enough...when do we finnally say, you can actuallly keep what you actually earn

I make 60k a year... 12k of that goes just to LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES.....that's right more than 1/6th of my money goes JUST to property taxes......another 7k just to SS/medicaid.....then another 2.5k to the STATE income tax....not to mention every little ADD-On tax/fee on every bill (a FCC TAX just to have a phone....comeoff of it)

we THE PEOPLE get killed on taxes..and the rich PAY A LOT MORE THAN US LITTLE GUYS...why so obamy or the bush's can live the high life in DC....sorry

CUT taxes(FOR ALL) and CUT spending

I am with you.

Those of us who pay taxes ( 47% get away with stealing ) we do not need a tax hike right now.

What we need is for those who have not been paying into the base to start paying there fair share.

So this poster would be happy if every single working persons paycheck was going to be much less come the 1st week in January?

A tax hike right now would be a total disaster.

When will liberals understand how money works?

It is NOT right to steal money from successful wealthy people and hand it over to welfare loser bum types who wont work.

Time for ALL healthy Americans to pay their fair share.

How about starting by finding ways to get people who make under 50k to actually pay some taxes for once instead of finding ways to write off everything under the sun and get a refund to boot.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

you think the 'private' system is unsustainable....look at our CURRENT single payer system....medicaid

last year is was 350 BILLION, just to cover 30 million people.....our population is 310 million....that would be nearly 4 TRILLION A YEAR....paid for by the 105 million taxpayers........that's 38k a yEAR to EACH TAXPAYING HOUSEHOLD


can YOU afford that ozzie????????

You need to average the group. Medicaid is riddled with the most unhealthy in the country. There is a correlation between income, weight and and health. That's just one factor in making it work. Cost average. It works well in other countries and they have healthier citizens. But that's for another thread.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

so your answer is make 'people' pay more

when is it enough...when do we finnally say, you can actuallly keep what you actually earn

I make 60k a year... 12k of that goes just to LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES.....that's right more than 1/6th of my money goes JUST to property taxes......another 7k just to SS/medicaid.....then another 2.5k to the STATE income tax....not to mention every little ADD-On tax/fee on every bill (a FCC TAX just to have a phone....comeoff of it)

we THE PEOPLE get killed on taxes..and the rich PAY A LOT MORE THAN US LITTLE GUYS...why so obamy or the bush's can live the high life in DC....sorry

CUT taxes(FOR ALL) and CUT spending

We must cut spending, increase revenues, and have major tax reform. America's finances are in a state of emergency. It's time for the baby boomers and gen x'rs to suck it up and make a sacrifice for the country like the generations before!

You're going to have to start your own country if you want to keep every penny you make. Good luck with that....

[usc619]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Funny how during the Bush presidency, you couldn't say a bad word about Bush without getting conservatives all in a tizzy. Now that he's gone, i can't find a Republican who liked him. Wierd.

In any case, i've never understood why Repubs have so much beef with Obama. He's been Republican-light for the last 2 years. Tripled the number of troops in Afghanistan, extended the tax cuts, isn't for gay marriage, continued with TARP, hasn't ended DODT, continued the Patriot Act provisions (that Repubs now hate all of a sudden) coddles the bankers and big business...why are the righties still crying like little girls?

Because he's BLACK....plain and simple.

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by hotair2

Either he has no backbone or he has been on the take from big banks from the very beginning. He has the control of congress the polls all show that the majority of Americans were against tax cuts for the rich and he refuses to stand up to Republicans. He then alienates his base by sarcasm.

Enough is enough.

This does of course not mean that I am capitulating to the Republicans only that someone else needs to carry the standard.

So you want someone with a backbone to spend us into bankruptcy?

Looking for a Democrat who has enough money to stay in the primaries without losing to a better financed candidate and isn't "on the take" from the very beginning?

Democrats liked BO because he was spewing their particular brand of BS. Now you want the same Democrats to find a new kind of politician who isn't full of BS. Didn't they pick BO specifically because he was full of their favorite flavor of BS?

The problem isn't the politicians. The problem is uninformed voters eager to spend someone else's money and willing to sacrifice our children's future on the alter of big government and deficit spending. If we rid ourselves of political whores like BO and big government RINOs like "W" and replace them with other self-dealing career politicians because the voting public likes what they have to say, we are no closer to a new era of accountability than we were in 2008.

As a conservative, I would like to see the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire if, and only if, spending is significantly reduced and the roll of government is restricted to those areas authorized by the Constitution (see Article I, Section VIII).

[SLCPUNK]

Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale

I consider myself to be part of his "base" and I'm very happy with the compromise. In my opinion, stomping off like a child just because you don't get everything you want is immature and unproductive.

By next month, I'm betting that this little tantrum being thrown by some Democrats will be all but forgotten.

I agree and I'm also OK with the compromise, especially since he didn't have the votes in the Senate to pass his proposed legislation in the first place.

The leftwingoverse is acting like children here, but that's how the far side of any political spectrum would react. I'd also agree that the latest rant du jour will be over before you know it. Especially if he makes progress on DADT.

Furthermore I think it's healthy to have a party with different opinions. The right pretty much walked lockstep for 8 years and not only is that incredibly stupid, it was down right disastrous. The Dems are the true big tent these days, with a wide range of ideologies that sometimes find common ground and sometimes do not.

No spectator should be fooled by this. Nobody in the Dem party is capable of beating Obama, and two years is a long time in politics anyway. What Obama's biggest problem is, and has been, is selling his accomplishments to the country. GOP is great at campaigning (generally) and horrible at governing. The Dems are great at governing, but horrible at campaigning. They simply can't get a message out as good the GOP does. Those who shout the loudest and the most often win, and that's the truth.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by hotair2

Either he has no backbone or he has been on the take from big banks from the very beginning. He has the control of congress the polls all show that the majority of americans were against tax cuts for the rich and he refuses to stand up to Republicans. He then alienates his base by sarcasm.

Enough is enough.

This does of course not mean that I am capitulating to the Republicans only that someone else needs to carry the standard.

You mean the same American public who put the Republicans back in control of the House and nearly did the same for the Senate? Those polls mean nothing. Actions speak louder than words. The American people spoke during the elections so that should tell you what the majority of Americans want. When are left leaning liberals like yourself going to wake up and accept reality? Obama supported the tax cuts because he is concerned for his job. He saw what happened to his colleagues in the House and Senate and realizes he is next unless he starts pandering to the conservative populace in this country instead of dismissing them.

Regardless of politics, this compromise made sense. Let's extend unemployment benefits while also not punishing the entities that create jobs (the wealthy). It's a win win as far as I'm concerned. Now they just need to eliminate the pork that Democrats are infamous for and cut spending.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by usc619

Because he's BLACK....plain and simple.

Wrong, it's because he is a Democrat. Republicans including rednecks and Tea Party members worship Colin Powell and he is Black.

Yes, they use his race to attack him but that's part of the art of war in politics. Look at this forum. Very few people are like me and can and will attack both sides furiously. It's mostly gamesmanship here in which one side selectively looks at areas on the opposing team to attack. The best example of this is the war. When Bush was in office, Democrats attacked him relentlessly about the war; Obama campaigned as an anti-war President and won because of that. When Obama continued these policies, the Democrats including the ones on this forum began doing the opposite and justifying the war. All of a sudden, the war became something worthwhile to the Dems because their boy Obama was running it now. How many Obama supporters do you see here say something along the lines of "Yeah I support Obama but his stance on the war is clearly wrong" Nope you didn't see that because they have to be loyal so they will lie and play games to support their guy.

Like I said, gamesmanship! That's all it is

[K-Luv]

Originally Posted by hotair2

He is toast. Maybe since he knows he will be leaving he will grow a pair.

I have been saying this for over a year now, with the added twist that he has probably sealed the fate of the Democratic Party for the next Presidential Election (guarantying a Republican victory). So I don't know what all of the whiners are on about. Sure, in two years there might be more "damage" done, but with a Republican as our next President, you can rest assured that America is back on track. Well, that is if we don't get GWB II.

But.....Americans have a short attention span and if Obama can do one or two major victories, he might still have a chance. Even more so if Palin is still involved in politics at that time.

Originally Posted by hotair2

Either he has no backbone or he has been on the take from big banks from the very beginning. He has the control of congress the polls all show that the majority of americans were against tax cuts for the rich and he refuses to stand up to Republicans. He then alienates his base by sarcasm.

My personal opinion is that ALL presidents have been in on the take, but that is just me. At the very least, they do receive preferential treatment.

Originally Posted by skoro

Maybe they would IF:

1) he just showed them his birth certificate one more time

2) he changed his middle name to Herbert

3) he invaded Iran

1) They would just say it was fake.
2) They would just say that he is trying to get a fake, American, name to "blend in" and hide his Muslimness.
3) Definitely, but only if it was fast and victorious. Otherwise he would be accused of wasting American [soldiers] lives and tax-payer money. But, even if "he" did win, the military generals and key Republican House members who supported the war would claim credit. So, he still loses.

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

Of course they dont want a "use" tax. If we go that way then their supporters will have to pay taxes just like those of us who make money to live. Sure theres some liberals who work for a living. But my money says that if not for the welfare class Obama wound still be a minor senator in Illinois and we'd have a Republican liberal in office instead.

The assumption that welfare recipients are liberal is hilarious. Especially the ones hailing from the white sections.

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Funny how during the Bush presidency, you couldn't say a bad word about Bush without getting conservatives all in a tizzy. Now that he's gone, i can't find a Republican who liked him. Wierd.

I find it funny that you couldn't bad mouth the guy even though many Republicans were distancing themselves from him. I guess they just weren't ready to admit their mistake.

Originally Posted by ElizNJ

Bush wasn't a true conservative - he spent far too much, expanded government too much, created the unconstitutional Patriot Act, mishandled the war in Iraq and caved in on TARP. Not a lot for real conservatives to support.

Hmmm....the Conservatives LOVED the Patriot Act. And, how is mishandling a war "not Conservative"? How would a "true" Conservative done any better? First off, the Pres may be the Commander in Chief, but that is more of a figure head handle than anything. He had advisors. Those advisors were top military brass. Bush did not make all of the decisions, if he even made any.

Besides, everyone knows that Chaney really ran the show.

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Proof that Obama is anti-American.
Proof that Obama is anti-free market or private sector.
Proof that he uses the race card perpetually.

Bet'cha can't come up with any.

Proof is only a cognitive dissonance stone throw away.

Everyone has the ability to believe anything they want to believe regardless of how much they know what they believe to be nonsense.

Originally Posted by whatyousay

The better question is, why do any liberals still like the man? Let's face it, he's a failure on ALL fronts. I wish it were more gratifying to say we told you so, but we told you so.

Hope!

Change!!

Let's all sing now... O-bahhhh-maa O-bahhhh-maa O-bahhhh-maa

You like to talk like you know what is going on, but rest assured Old Guard, many Liberals are distancing themselves from the guy. Oh wait, by Liberal you mean Democrat. With that, I dunno. I wasn't aware that Democrats where liberal. They were the original slave owners, you know.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

He has also expedited the bankruptcy of America that is sure to come unless major changes are made.

And, I bet, that when this perceived bankruptcy never arrives you will cite some major change that never happened.

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

you got exactly what the left wanted

obama was and is a marxist..has always been

leftist, liberal, progressive,globalist, marxist, socialist, fascist...all the same

obama is smart, he understands that if you put a frog in boiling water it will jump out...but compromise and put a frog in warm water then slowly boil it, the frog will stay and cook

What is wrong with being progressive? Sure as hell beats still living in the stone ages. Globalists? I'm all for it! We all are stuck here on this rock called Earth. Why everyone ignores this fact is beyond me.

But, anyways, they are not all the same. And, why you are feeling quotey, why don't you do a little search on a de facto facists-Mussilini-and see what he said about fascism and capitalism. Then come back here and repost it with a smile on your face. I dare you, but I don't think you will (and it has everything to do with you not digging the quote and what it says about Conservatives).

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

LOLOLOLOL @ Bush was a liberal!!

He is. Glenn Beck said so. It must be true.

Originally Posted by ozzie679

I'm done with him! He's continuing with two Republican wars, signed the same health care bill that Republicans presented in the past, raised taxes on people making $20-40k, extended the Republican's disastrous tax rates, hasn't acted on DADT, signed financial reform that had Wall Street to opening bottles of Champagne, etc...

You could be right...he might not get the nomination.

Uh, the Health Care Bill that got passed was drastically different than the one Obama originally opposed. I'm talking night and day here. The original Health Care Bill was pretty radical for American politics-even coming from one of those "liberal communist twinkle-toed Democrats". It had changed so much by the time it passed that those of the more liberal persuasion were even appalled.

And, might I add, that it took a seriously watered down version of the Bill to pass a Democratically controlled House and Senate.

Originally Posted by silas777

I understand that those of you out there on the edge with the likes of olberman/maddow, cant grasp the reality that very few of the American electorate are any where close to you guys politically. The reality is the left had control of everything for 2 years and still could not make you guys happy....why........ because they new that if they did, this past election would have been a much worse bloodbath than it was .

I agree with your opener here, but only in the sense that while even though Maddow and Olberman are fairly well planted on the Left, they are pretty much the same talking heads as Limbaugh and Beck. Just for a different party. But, I disagree with the assertion that Democrats [politicians] are Liberals. Sure, some are, but most are more center-to-right than you probably care to admit. In the same way that the majority of Republicans are considered to be Moderates.

Originally Posted by silas777

hows about we start with the collosal 1 T that is a T Trillion dollar health care bill........

Hows about we do. Has it even went into effect yet?

Originally Posted by pollyrobin

Obama gave us a health care bill that barely regulates insurance companies but forces folks to pay for private for-profit health insurance.
This guy is on a roll

This is the sad part. One of the main tenants of the original HC Bill was insurance regulation (i.e., making "illegal" for insurance companies to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions and for them to generally be more "caring" to their customers before they decide to deny payment for this or for that).

I for one do not appreciate being forced to purchase insurance.

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

When will liberals understand how money works?

It is NOT right to steal money from successful wealthy people and hand it over to welfare loser bum types who wont work.

And when will arm-chair Conservatives? The majority of the money in the World does not physically exists. And it hasn't for a long time. There was a point, when currency was backed by Gold and other valuables, but those days are long since gone. "Money" largely exists as numbers on IOUs, spreadsheets, and in computer programs. Someone says, "Hey, I'd like some money" and the other person says, "Sure". So the other person pushes a button on a computer and a number on the screen decreases by a certain number while the number on another computer screen increases by that same number and the person wanting the money writes the person giving the money an IOU.

I don't think it is right to steal money from anyone, but I have to ask, why do you Conservatives believe that Liberals want to steal money from the rich and give it to welfare recipients? The average Liberal is Middle Class, anyways.

While I'm asking questions, can someone please explain to me why arm-chair Conservatives believe that all Liberals want to do is spend and waste Tax-Payer money? I mean seriously, even Liberals would believe this to be ridiculous.

[pollyrobin]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

you think the 'private' system is unsustainable....look at our CURRENT single payer system....medicaid

last year is was 350 BILLION, just to cover 30 million people.....our population is 310 million....that would be nearly 4 TRILLION A YEAR....paid for by the 105 million taxpayers........that's 38k a yEAR to EACH TAXPAYING HOUSEHOLD


can YOU afford that ozzie????????

Medicaid exceeds Medicare in the amount of folks who get it. A lot of them are children. Folks pay a premium for Medicare. Folks getting medicaid pay nothing. They are on welfare. Using Medicaid as an example of a single payer system is a poor example. Your stats just shows we pay a lot out for those who don't contribute anything. Welfare is a whole other topic all it's own.