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Old 12-20-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Originally Posted by odanny View Post
Now Rupie owns the Wall Street Journal as well. That rich Aussie sure knows how to play American rubes, I gotta hand it to him and his crew.
oooh! hahahaha this one is my favorite! it's a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy!

 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by brien51 View Post
ANd you are misrepresenting the NAZI meaning as well.

It was known in Germany as the NSDAP:

NSDAP:

The Nazi Party (NSDAP)

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Nazi is a short cut for "Nationalsozialist" in contrast to Sozi that refers to "Sozialist".
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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Nazi is a short cut for "Nationalsozialist" in contrast to Sozi that refers to "Sozialist".

Not contrast, but narrowing.
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Not contrast, but narrowing.
Tell us about Hitler and the Socialist in Germany. Let us know what you know about them.
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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Tell us about Hitler and the Socialist in Germany. Let us know what you know about them.
What do you want a history lesson?
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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I have seen in the last week 2 instances of a Fox news effect on individuals who were referring to the Nazi party as a historically left wing organization, and referencing Fox news sources in this claim.

Jaw drops. I just can't believe the crap that is being spun. Its truly mind boggling.
Here is the truth on the Nazi Party NSDAP:


The Nazi Party (NSDAP)

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In April, 1920, Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany.
Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word 'National' before it. He claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had "German blood." Jews and other "aliens" would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Germans should be brought to an end.

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In February 1920, the NSDAP published its first programme which became known as the "Twenty-Five Points." In the programme the party refused to accept the terms of the Versailles Treaty and called for the reunification of all German people. To reinforce their ideas on nationalism, equal rights were only to be given to German citizens. "Foreigners" and "aliens" would be denied these rights.
To appeal to the working class and socialists, the programme included several measures that would redistribute income and war profits, profit-sharing in large industries, nationalization of trusts, increases in old-age pensions and free education.
On February 24, 1920, the NSDAP (later nicknamed the Nazi Party) held a mass rally where it announced its new programme. The rally was attended by over 2,000 people, a great improvement on the 25 people who were at Hitler's first party meeting.
Adolf Hitler knew that the growth in the party was mainly due to his skills as an orator and in the autumn of 1921 he challenged Anton Drexler for the leadership of the party. After brief resistance Drexler accepted the inevitable, and Hitler became the new leader of the organization.
Hitler's ability to arouse in his supporters emotions of anger and hate often resulted in their committing acts of violence. In September 1921, Hitler was sent to prison for three months for being part of a mob who beat up a rival politician.





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What said depended very much on the audience. In rural areas he promised tax cuts for farmers and government actin to protect food prices. In working class areas he spoke of redistribution of wealth and attacked the high profits made by the large chain stores

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Get some education about Nazis people.

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Old 12-20-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Europe
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What do you want a history lesson?
You were disagreeing with my post. Maybe you could tell why there was no difference between the Nazis (NSDAP) and the Sozis (SPD)?
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Hitler was more pragmatic than Strasser; he knew he needed an industrial base to finance and implement his military conquests. However, the Nazi movement from the beginning was a faction of socialism. Here is a great article. Read.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian - George Reisman - Mises Daily
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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You were disagreeing with my post. Maybe you could tell why there was no difference between the Nazis (NSDAP) and the Sozis (SPD)?
Its not a difference of kind, but degree. The SPD was part of an international socialist movement; while the Nazis were more concerned with Germany itself, hence a narrowing of the definition (for their own purposes).
 
Old 12-20-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Originally Posted by Pamky View Post
Nazi is a short cut for "Nationalsozialist" in contrast to Sozi that refers to "Sozialist".
I showed you what it meant by a link. It meant the National Socialist German Workers Party.

If you have PROOF that it meant anything else, please post the link...

I also showed you how it came to be named in my post above. Feel free to correct it with FACTS.

I respect opinions but I deal in FACTS and youmust prove your case with facts otherwise it is merely another opinion. Thank you.
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