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Old 01-17-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Exactly. The Obama health care bill is to give insurance to those that otherwise can't qualify, or can't afford it. People who have insurance currently will not be affected, and those in congress i'm sure have world class coverage.
Obama care forces people to buy insurance whether they want it or not.

People that currently have insurance will be affected. Rates will go up because insurance companies will have to make up lost revenue from insuring people they would not normally insure.

Progressives think that private businesses are charities and have an unlimited supply of money. They don't. Everyone will pay more and the system will be overloaded because we don't have enough doctors.

Everyone will be worse off.

Book it.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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Is congress exempt from it? If it is that great, congress should be chomping at the bit to have it.....
Now do you understand that "Obamacare" is itself is not an insurance policy?
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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If you have insurance, you will not be affected.
Not 100% true.

Many insurance companies will pass the extra costs of having to care for those with pre-existing conditions, etc to the consumer.

You can also be taxed on a plan that is deemed extensive or a "Cadillac" plan.

The only things I've noticed so far on my insurance is this.

1. I can't use my FSA on OTC medication, I used to be able to do that before.

2. My rates are set to go up about 15 dollars a month. Really, its about 2.5 for me and my son a piece, but 10 dollars for his momma.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:43 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Default what are the dems defending?

Begs the question...if no one who passed it read it or understood it, can we now safely assume those legislators who are defending it, have taken the time to read it and understand it and are conversant in all the legal implications of the law???

Please if any pol makes claims based on Obamacare, simply ask them to cite page and paragraph to source their response.

could it be possible the dems have still not opened this legislative present to find out what's in it? if not how can they defend it?
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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Not 100% true.

Many insurance companies will pass the extra costs of having to care for those with pre-existing conditions, etc to the consumer.

You can also be taxed on a plan that is deemed extensive or a "Cadillac" plan.

The only things I've noticed so far on my insurance is this.

1. I can't use my FSA on OTC medication, I used to be able to do that before.

2. My rates are set to go up about 15 dollars a month. Really, its about 2.5 for me and my son a piece, but 10 dollars for his momma.
I would assume, like everyone else, you were taking annual premium increases before Obamacare.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I would assume, like everyone else, you were taking annual premium increases before Obamacare.
Yep, which I pay a part of every month.

Like I said, I'm not sweating 15 dollars a month. The majority of the country voted for a Presidential administration and Democratic Congress when they ran on passing a national healthcare plan, and guess what, they passed one.

Its not an attack on my or anyone elses liberty, since it is taxation with representation.

I would like things in the bill fixed, and I've written the President and my congressmen accordingly, but it is the will of the people.

Only 23% polled want it repealed, over 60% want it fixed in some way, most want it to do more.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:56 PM
 
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Yep, which I pay a part of every month.

Like I said, I'm not sweating 15 dollars a month. The majority of the country voted for a Presidential administration and Democratic Congress when they ran on passing a national healthcare plan, and guess what, they passed one.

Its not an attack on my or anyone elses liberty, since it is taxation with representation.

I would like things in the bill fixed, and I've written the President and my congressmen accordingly, but it is the will of the people.

Only 23% polled want it repealed, over 60% want it fixed in some way, most want it to do more.
Which is the right thing that should be done. As it sits now, it's loaded with pork and as "right" as it can possibly be to just barely slide through passing. It's a massive step in the right direction, but there is still much to do. Ideally it would be a single payer system, or at least have the public option.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Is congress exempt from it? If it is that great, congress should be chomping at the bit to have it.....
They wiggle out of it because they will claim that it's all about choices. But the difference is when congress wants an expensive health care plan, we taxpayers have no choice but to pay it. When 0bamaCare drives up the cost of premiums become unaffordable for a health care insurance plan in the private business sector, then the employer cannot just ask the taxpayer to pay it, he has to drop it.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Which is the right thing that should be done. As it sits now, it's loaded with pork and as "right" as it can possibly be to just barely slide through passing. It's a massive step in the right direction, but there is still much to do. Ideally it would be a single payer system, or at least have the public option.
I don't think we can afford a single payer system that everyone wants.

My ideal program would be this.

The government pays for these procedures, with tax money. (Doctors, please insert 100% necessary procedures here). Anything beyond that, you get supplemental insurance to cover what you want.

Most seniors know this system well. I know my grandparents have a medicare supplement insurance.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Which is the right thing that should be done. As it sits now, it's loaded with pork and as "right" as it can possibly be to just barely slide through passing. It's a massive step in the right direction, but there is still much to do. Ideally it would be a single payer system, or at least have the public option.
A single-payer would grant 50 million new people "free" health "care".

With no new increase in doctors.

That is a disaster waiting to happen.
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