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I am 100% against Democracy in the Middle East because the people will choose radical Islam. This is a danger to the rest of the world. Democracy in the Islamic world also leads to extremely backwards and oppressive conditions for women. Secular dictators are always the far lesser evil compared to radical Islam.
To show how consistent I am, unlike most conservatives (and liberals) I would have liked to have seen the U.S team up with Saddam Hussien (or Turkey up until recent years) and force the entire Middle East into being secular with full freedom for women including Western dress, no female genital mutilation, etc. Perhaps after about 100 years of secularism the people of the Islamic world could handle Democracy and not gravitate towards radical Islam.
If the emerging democracies aren't "our" democracies favorable to "our" desires, then we delegitamize them, denounce them and wage war against them.
The method we use is to label anyone who doesn't play "our" game as terrorist, then we justify our actions accordingly.
All these fake crocodile tears over Middle Eastern nations behaving the way we want them to, while we turn a blind eye and openly support places like Uzbekistan that boiled alive dissidents who publicly supported democracy. In this case, we support a man who would crush democracy and boil human beings alive and not one complaint from anyone over these human rights abuses.
I am stunned to no end by your response! Your cavalier attitude toward those who are and have always been our enemies, who wish to see the U.S. and Western civilization annihilated, along with Israel, and the Jewish people!
America has always had to play a game in the Middle East. We have had to support the best of the worst.
Now we have a President that has stated he supports those who have been working toward our destruction, the Muslim Brotherhood! This is treason.
They are the likely force behind what we are seeing right now. This isn't about anybody establishing a "democracy". That is a ruse. They wish to establish a theocracy. This has always been their purpose.
America is in danger like never before in our history right at this moment. We are being attacked from within and from without. Within from a bunch of "progressives" who want to see us become a socialist globalist society. From the outside from those who simply want Western civilization wiped out.
And what does our President choose? He chooses to support the Muslim Brotherhood!
Do we need any more proof that our "President" is at the very least a Muslim sympathizer? Or is he simply a Muslim? He isn't a Christian. I don't care what he tells us.
He is attempting to fulfill the "Dreams of [his] Father".
I for one am sickened by what I see being done to us by the progressive left in this country.
A line has been drawn in the sand. On the one side are the Patriots. Call them the "Tea Party" if you wish. They are real Americans. On the other side is the left, who have no love for this country or the constitution and wish to see it destroyed.
Who will win? It had better be the patriots. We have no other choice.
Last edited by nononsenseguy; 02-04-2011 at 01:50 PM..
Reason: Corrected the second link
Foolishness? The foolish statement here is, "America 1st, everyone else 2nd!" It's foolish, because it basically an expression of a global aristocracy, and our country was founded as a protest against a world where you were entitled by virtue of your birth rather than by virtue of hard work and talent and what you have to offer. It's foolish, because Americans are outnumbered by the rest of the world's citizens, and we don't live in a world where the United States is self-sufficient. We actually do require resources from around the world, and we are not in a position to dictate to the rest of the world how we will obtain those resources. That means that a level of cooperation is necessary.
Moreover, there are principles involved. I realize that integrity and principles are not held in high regard by all CD posters, and there are even some posters who ridicule such things, however, the world in toto does not take integrity and principles lightly. Even if it's only lip service being accorded to principle, the fact is that lip service is accorded because principles matter. When Mubarak made his speech a week ago, that he was the "people's president." Lip service, but lip service paid in the hopes that it would preserve his presidency. Lip service identified by the people, because Mubarak has not served as a people's president for the past thirty years.
Like I said you live in America....America,1st end of story!
To many "globalist" screwing things up in this country.
You want to save the world...Get on a plane and go to Egypt and protest but I bet you dont make it back alive....See theres the world we live in and the world you would like to live in...2 different things!
Some times the truth is to much for people to bare.
When the world sees U.S. as weak...all hell breaks loose!
This world I hate to say is going to be a wreak over the next 30 yrs,watch and see.
The world is going back to pre-1914.
Oh and we could be self sufficent but to Eviro-MeNTAlist stop us from "digging in our own dirt!"
I am stunned to no end by your response! Your cavalier attitude toward those who are and have always been our enemies, who wish to see the U.S. and Western civilization annihilated, along with Israel, and the Jewish people!
America has always had to play a game in the Middle East. We have had to support the best of the worst.
Now we have a President that has stated he supports those who have been working toward our destruction, the Muslim Brotherhood! This is treason.
They are the likely force behind what was are seeing right now. This isn't about anybody establishing a "democracy". That is a ruse. They wish to establish a theocracy. This has always been their purpose.
America is in danger like never before in our history right at this moment. We are being attacked from within and from without. Within from a bunch of "progressives" who want to see us become a socialist globalist society. From the outside from those who simply want Western civilization wiped out.
And what does our President choose? He chooses to support the Muslim Brotherhood!
Do we need any more proof that our "President" is at the very least a Muslim sympathizer? Or is he simply a Muslim? He isn't a Christian. I don't care what he tells us.
He is attempting to fulfill the "Dreams of [his] Father".
I for one am sickened by what I see being done to us by the progressive left in this country.
A line has been drawn in the sand. On the one side are the Patriots. Call them the "Tea Party" if you wish. They are real Americans. On the other side is the left, who have no love for this country or the constitution and wish to see it destroyed.
Who will win? I had better be the patriots. We have no other choice.
I am 100% against Democracy in the Middle East because the people will choose radical Islam. This is a danger to the rest of the world. Democracy in the Islamic world also leads to extremely backwards and oppressive conditions for women. Secular dictators are always the far lesser evil compared to radical Islam.
To show how consistent I am, unlike most conservatives (and liberals) I would have liked to have seen the U.S team up with Saddam Hussien (or Turkey up until recent years) and force the entire Middle East into being secular with full freedom for women including Western dress, no female genital mutilation, etc. Perhaps after about 100 years of secularism the people of the Islamic world could handle Democracy and not gravitate towards radical Islam.
You are against democracy in places where that democracy won't reflect YOUR values?
The people in the Middle East will choose radical Islam....to do what? They will choose theocracies? Radical Islam will form a political party, and the people will vote that party into power? If the people have a democracy, and they don't like the party in power, they can vote a different group into power, no? They can't do that with a secular dictator.
The best chance for women acquiring rights is to build up a strong middle class. And the chances are much better of that happening in a democratic system of government, than under a dictatorship. In fact, part of the unrest in the Middle East is the growing gulf between rich and poor in those countries, and the lack of a middle class. If you support women's rights, then support democracies.
I am stunned to no end by your response! Your cavalier attitude toward those who are and have always been our enemies, who wish to see the U.S. and Western civilization annihilated, along with Israel, and the Jewish people!
America has always had to play a game in the Middle East. We have had to support the best of the worst.
Now we have a President that has stated he supports those who have been working toward our destruction, the Muslim Brotherhood! This is treason.
They are the likely force behind what was are seeing right now. This isn't about anybody establishing a "democracy". That is a ruse. They wish to establish a theocracy. This has always been their purpose.
America is in danger like never before in our history right at this moment. We are being attacked from within and from without. Within from a bunch of "progressives" who want to see us become a socialist globalist society. From the outside from those who simply want Western civilization wiped out.
And what does our President choose? He chooses to support the Muslim Brotherhood!
Do we need any more proof that our "President" is at the very least a Muslim sympathizer? Or is he simply a Muslim? He isn't a Christian. I don't care what he tells us.
He is attempting to fulfill the "Dreams of [his] Father".
I for one am sickened by what I see being done to us by the progressive left in this country.
A line has been drawn in the sand. On the one side are the Patriots. Call them the "Tea Party" if you wish. They are real Americans. On the other side is the left, who have no love for this country or the constitution and wish to see it destroyed.
Who will win? It had better be the patriots. We have no other choice.
I see this position as actually the threat to American security.
To show how consistent I am, unlike most conservatives (and liberals) I would have liked to have seen the U.S team up with Saddam Hussien (or Turkey up until recent years) and force the entire Middle East into being secular with full freedom for women including Western dress, no female genital mutilation, etc.
To many "globalist" screwing things up in this country.
You want to save the world...Get on a plane and go to Egypt and protest but I bet you dont make it back alive....
To the bolded portion, that is EXACTLY WHAT YOUR ARE PROGRESSING.
As to the second part, why don't you get on a plane and head to Egypt to espouse your "America first" plan, I'll even pass a hat around the forum for your plane ticket.
Problem with pro-interventionist is that almost all of them are here telling others to go over there to make them safe. So much for courage and principles.
Like I said you live in America....America,1st end of story!
To many "globalist" screwing things up in this country.
You want to save the world...Get on a plane and go to Egypt and protest but I bet you dont make it back alive....See theres the world we live in and the world you would like to live in...2 different things!
Some times the truth is to much for people to bare.
When the world sees U.S. as weak...all hell breaks loose!
This world I hate to say is going to be a wreak over the next 30 yrs,watch and see.
The world is going back to pre-1914.
Oh and we could be self sufficent but to Eviro-MeNTAlist stop us from "digging in our own dirt!"
You are living in a fantasy-land. We could not be self-sufficient. There are simply some resources that aren't available in the United States, and some resources that are extremely limited.
You evidently don't have any principles except for the me-first principle. I think that's sad, but there is no way I can instill principles into someone who's guide in these matters is simply themselves, their needs, their desires. I prefer to live my life less selfishly, because getting along with other people suits me better than trying to defeat other people and to take what I want. I think that that is the essence of being a social creature. And it seems to me that governments that try to get along with other governments, that try to find ways to cooperatively advance both governments' interests, are more successful than those go-it-alone governments. The United States hasn't really ever been a go-it-alone government. From our inception, when we asked for and received help from the French, for instance. Not a go-it-alone kind of country. And as we've progressed into the current century, we aren't equipped to go-it-alone now. Our businesses depend on global markets, not just domestic markets to survive. We have to obtain resources from abroad for our manufacturing sectors. Culturally and intellectually, there has always been global trade which has been good for all humanity. Do you think that the concepts and ideas which led to the founding of the United States just sprang wholesale from the minds of the Founding Fathers? Do you think medicine or physics or any science or technology is purely an endeavor of one country? Do you think we shouldn't teach anything in American schools that wasn't discovered or written or formulated by an American?
I'm not a globalist. I'm a humanist. And humanism has a long history in the world. Respect is basic to any and all relationships. Your perspective is about elitism, that's all. It's a rationalization of someone who feels that they don't have to bring something to the table, to a relationship, to anything. And that suggests that they don't have anything to offer. If all you have to offer is that you are an American, then what does that mean? What does it mean to you? What is unique and special about being an American?
What "bums" you out can easily and logically be explained.
Perhaps, but not by you.
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