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Old 04-10-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Question: Do you believe he would have gotten addicted to Oxycontin if he had no back pain. Yes or no?
Would he have gotten addicted if he had no back pain?

It is absolutely possible. Do I know for a FACT that he would have if he had had no back pain? No. Anymore than you know for a FACT that he would NOT have.

You keep speaking in absolutes - that Rush ABSOLUTELY would not have gotten addicted if he hadn't had back pain. You don't know that. You have no idea what he does in his personal life, and what he was doing six, seven, eight years ago. And neither do I.

He could have been doing any manner of drugs at one time and just managed to stumble across a way to obtain potent ones fairly easily by claiming excruciating back pain. Do I know that for a FACT? No. But you can't say ABSOLUTELY that that was not the case.

He may very well have used his so-called "back pain" as an excuse to obtain Oxy and was really more of a recreational user than a therapeutic one. Do I know that for a FACT? No more than you know for a FACT that he wasn't.

And how do YOU know just how bad his back pain was? Because he said it was? Do you not think that it's possible that with all his gazillions, he couldn't have pretty much bought any diagnosis he wanted - and from as many doctors as he wanted?

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And do you agree he did take responsible action (entering rehab)?
He took "responsible action" only after getting busted - he wanted to keep his sorry fat ass out of prison. NONE of us (and, yes, that means you, too) have any idea IF or WHEN he would have taken "responsible action" if he had NOT gotten busted.

Your defense and sympathy for Rush the Drug Addict is admirable. However, I see you are still refusing to address Rush the Big Fat Hypocrite - Rush using his podium to call for the death penalty for the same people he was USING to help feed his habit.

What kind of a human with a conscience would do such a thing?

Oh, never mind - for a minute there, I actually forgot who I was speaking about. Rush has no conscience.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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Question: Do you believe he would have gotten addicted to Oxycontin if he had no back pain. Yes or no? And do you agree he did take responsible action (entering rehab)?

Looks like nothing is going to change your mind and your opinion. And that's okay, you are allowed to have your opinion and so am I.
You miss the point. You are trying to absolve Rush because you believe he had a legitimate reason to take the Opiates and because of that he's not at fault for becoming addicted, because he didn't know that was going to happen.

But let me put this to you - when you knowingly take an addictive substance for whatever reason, you are putting yourself at the same risk as someone who does so recreationally. And I don't know what conversation he had with his doctor, but I think one could reasonably assume he knew the risks.

Therefore, when he started crossing the line and popping the pills above and beyond the prescribed dose for the purpose of getting high, which is what you do when you're addicted, then it becomes his responsibility to do something to rectify the situation.

This is true of all addicts. It doesn't matter how you started. It only matters how you finish. He is no better than any other addict, and he behaved just like any other addict. He shouldn't be excused more than any other addict, nor praised more for recovering. At that point, everyone has the same problems and has to take the same journey.

He kept his addiction going all on his own, just like any other addict.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, NC
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Gotta go with Tommy Chong. Some habits die hard.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Would he have gotten addicted if he had no back pain?

It is absolutely possible. Do I know for a FACT that he would have if he had had no back pain? No. Anymore than you know for a FACT that he would NOT have.
It's "possible." More nitpicking only because it's Rush!

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You keep speaking in absolutes - that Rush ABSOLUTELY would not have gotten addicted if he hadn't had back pain. You don't know that. You have no idea what he does in his personal life, and what he was doing six, seven, eight years ago. And neither do I.

He could have been doing any manner of drugs at one time and just managed to stumble across a way to obtain potent ones fairly easily by claiming excruciating back pain. Do I know that for a FACT? No. But you can't say ABSOLUTELY that that was not the case.

He may very well have used his so-called "back pain" as an excuse to obtain Oxy and was really more of a recreational user than a therapeutic one. Do I know that for a FACT? No more than you know for a FACT that he wasn't.

And how do YOU know just how bad his back pain was? Because he said it was? Do you not think that it's possible that with all his gazillions, he couldn't have pretty much bought any diagnosis he wanted - and from as many doctors as he wanted?
More nitpicking and allegations with nothing to back it up.

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He took "responsible action" only after getting busted - he wanted to keep his sorry fat ass out of prison. NONE of us (and, yes, that means you, too) have any idea IF or WHEN he would have taken "responsible action" if he had NOT gotten busted.
Again, is he the only one who has done that? Done something after getting caught? No Democrats do it?

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Your defense and sympathy for Rush the Drug Addict is admirable. However, I see you are still refusing to address Rush the Big Fat Hypocrite - Rush using his podium to call for the death penalty for the same people he was USING to help feed his habit.
Your obsession for Rush is obvious. 3~Shepherds was right! You even resort to attacking and name-calling Rush.

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What kind of a human with a conscience would do such a thing?

Oh, never mind - for a minute there, I actually forgot who I was speaking about. Rush has no conscience.
And with that irrationality, you can have the last word on the subject. You ARE anti-Rush, just as I figured. That's the only reason you go on and on about his addiction but don't mention others who have not only had similar addictions, but did things like rob people or burglarize houses to continue their addiction.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You miss the point. You are trying to absolve Rush because you believe he had a legitimate reason to take the Opiates and because of that he's not at fault for becoming addicted, because he didn't know that was going to happen.
You been missing the point all along! Do you think he wanted to get addicted?


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But let me put this to you - when you knowingly take an addictive substance for whatever reason, you are putting yourself at the same risk as someone who does so recreationally. And I don't know what conversation he had with his doctor, but I think one could reasonably assume he knew the risks.
I'm sure he knew the risks. Severe pain can make someone figure it's worth the risks if it means some relief.

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Therefore, when he started crossing the line and popping the pills above and beyond the prescribed dose for the purpose of getting high, which is what you do when you're addicted, then it becomes his responsibility to do something to rectify the situation.
He started to cross the line because he became addicted. He did the right thing... he got treated for it. Now some will say he only did that "because he got caught," but how do they know he wouldn't have done it eventually?

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This is true of all addicts. It doesn't matter how you started. It only matters how you finish. He is no better than any other addict, and he behaved just like any other addict. He shouldn't be excused more than any other addict, nor praised more for recovering. At that point, everyone has the same problems and has to take the same journey.
No, it does matter how it starts. You can't compare someone who takes a drug for "recreational use" to someone who is only taking it to treat a disorder.

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He kept his addiction going all on his own, just like any other addict.
And he cured his addiction... you "forgot" to add that. How many times are going to beat a dead horse? He successfully treated it; accept it already! And you can have the last word, too, because you are going to anyway.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:42 PM
 
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You been missing the point all along! Do you think he wanted to get addicted?




I'm sure he knew the risks. Severe pain can make someone figure it's worth the risks if it means some relief.



He started to cross the line because he became addicted. He did the right thing... he got treated for it. Now some will say he only did that "because he got caught," but how do they know he wouldn't have done it eventually?



No, it does matter how it starts. You can't compare someone who takes a drug for "recreational use" to someone who is only taking it to treat a disorder.



And he cured his addiction... you "forgot" to add that. How many times are going to beat a dead horse? He successfully treated it; accept it already! And you can have the last word, too, because you are going to anyway.
Every junkie has a sob story. If the crackhead in the homeless shelter didn't have a deadbeat father would he still be a crackhead, who knows? My heart weeps for the obese 10 year old butterball Limbaugh who was probably tormented by his classmates, but I have zero sympathy for the raging drug addict

I heard that Limbaugh traded in one addiction (hillbilly heroin) for another (Viagra)
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:52 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I heard that Limbaugh traded in one addiction (hillbilly heroin) for another (Viagra)
Ewwwww.......thinking about Rush on Viagra is gross.

Ick.

(We really need a barf emoticon.)
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:56 PM
 
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Ewwwww.......thinking about Rush on Viagra is gross.

Ick.

(We really need a barf emoticon.)
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:09 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I've got these great big salamanders out in my pond - pretty ugly dudes, really - but I'd kiss one of those before I'd let that gross pig put me in a lip lock.

Blech.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:12 PM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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My first thought was Keith Richards, I mean seriously, he's practically a vampire, he's had so many blood transfusions it's insane....

But then I also thought of Rush Limbaugh, mostly because he's such a disaster in so many more ways.
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