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Old 02-23-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Tallahassee
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I agree, however her motive was to steal from a drug dealer. It just so happened that he and his family here Hispanic so the pro-illegals are trying to spin this into a hate crime.
No. Her motive was to steal from the drug dealer in order to FUND HER MINUTE MAN ORGANIZATION.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Tallahassee
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It is still a spin when the claim is being made that this was a hate crime against Hispanics. Again, she was trying to extract money from a drug dealer regardless of his ethnicity. What she was planning on doing with the money is irrelevant. It still wasn't a hate crime against Hispanics.
I am sure that her motive was not "irrelevant" in her trial. Why would you think it's irrelevant here?
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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An Arizona jury has sentenced a border activist to death in the 2009 murder of a young girl and her father.

The Pima County Attorney's Office said Tuesday the Tucson jury returned the death penalty verdict against 43-year-old Shawna Forde. She now becomes the third woman on Arizona's death row.

Forde was convicted of first-degree murder and other charges in the May 2009 home invasion in Arivaca, a desert community about 10 miles north of Mexico.
Twenty-nine-year-old Raul Flores and his 9-year-old daughter, Brisenia, were killed in the robbery.

Couldn't happen to a nicer person.

Minute Man leader?

She was kicked out of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and then formed her own group to help her do home invasion robberies. She is a criminal. End of story.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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These murders had nothing to do with hate for Mexicans. If this guy and his family had been anglo drug dealers and she knew they had money she and her ilk would have done the same thing to them. It was all about money to her.
How do YOU know that? Do you know her personally? Do you know that Shawna Forde has absolutely no malice in her heart toward Mexican-Americans?

The only reason somebody kills a nine year child is that on some level they see that child as "Less Than". Most decent human beings treat children even those that they do not know with some level of compassion and try to protect them from any harm while that child in their presence. To kill anybody in a premeditated crime requires some level of brutality. The kill a child is especially heinous. One can't help if but wonder if some level of hatred was involved in the act.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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Ironically for those claiming she was "anti Hispanics", most of her little group's "border activity" was concentrated on the northern border in Washington state
Well look at what we have here:
Murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Gunny Bush

Jason Eugene "Gunny" Bush (born LaGrande, Oregon August 11, 1974 (age 36)[16]), of Meadview, Arizona, is M.A.D.'s National Director of Operations. Bush was shot in the leg during the same time frame as the attack.

Bush is Forde's second in command. He has ties to the Aryan Nation and was also charged in June 2009 with the 1997 murder of Hector Lopez Partida in Wenatchee, Washington.[17] He is also charged with the Sept. 1997 execution styled killing of his Aryan Nation associate, Jonathan Bumstead, also of Wenatchee, WA for supposedly committing the "crime" of "being a 'race-traitor'". Later in 1997, Bush was imprisoned for the theft of a car and for his possession of a firearm (unlawful because Bush was already a felon, from a previous conviction).[18][19] After he was released in 2003, Bush moved to Sandpoint, Idaho, where he lived until 2007.[20] Bush is also suspected in at least 2 additional killings during the latter part of 1997. According to information that was provided to Washington state detectives, Jason is alleged to have, on two separate instances, shown up at acquaintances residences covered in blood, and asking to be allowed to clean up there, as he had "just finished taking care of some business". Detectives are currently attempting to find any links to unresolved cases.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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The only reason somebody kills a nine year child is that on some level they see that child as "Less Than". Most decent human beings treat children even those that they do not know with some level of compassion and try to protect them from any harm while that child in their presence. To kill anybody in a premeditated crime requires some level of brutality. The kill a child is especially heinous. One can't help if but wonder if some level of hatred was involved in the act.
By that same logic, does this mean Jared Loughner hates white people?
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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By that same logic, does this mean Jared Loughner hates white people?
Was Jared Loughner part of a group the advocates hatred and VIOLENCE toward groups of people specifically based on race and the White race in particular?
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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Most pro-illegals have tried to blur the two groups together though so that they can demonize the entire Minuteman organization. Forde was kicked out of the original group because of her violent tendencies and formed her own group but that doesn't stop the pro-illegals from lumping the original group in with Forde and her group of psychos though.
And not one word about that little child that was murdered.

Sick and disgusting, which illuminates the way most anti Mexicans "illegals" truly are.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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What a horrible thing to do...murdering a nine year old girl.

You know, between this and the Giffords incident. I'm kind of glad I don't live in Arizona. Just sayin'.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is what inevitably happens when a bunch of armed loonies take it upon themselves to enforce the law?

What happens when people organize neighborhood watch groups? What happens when the Guardian Angels patrol the streets? What this woman did is obviously beyond contempt and I'm glad she got hers but don't try to condemn all citizens who are taking action because of her. How many times have we seen "but not all illegal immigrants are bad"? Well not all citizen activists or members of the Minutemen are bad either. Looking at your post here I have to suspect that you are a suporter of illegal immigrants and gun control. Please correct me if I'm wrong. However, it appears as though you have made an attempt here to gain sympathy for illegals and advocate for gun control by highliting this case- FAIL
Neighborhood watch groups and the Guardian Angels are not armed.

And, you may suspect anything you like, but that doesn't make it true. I neither support, nor hate, illegals and I probably own more firearms than you do.
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