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Old 05-28-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Killing a born child that you decide you no longer want would be responsible then right?
How about not bringing a child into the world until you are sure you want one and are prepared to take care of it?
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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But want to get rid of government handout programs to take care of these unwanted babys?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuvfg3lGn0

This GOP philosophy never made since to me. Outlaw abortion, but then outlaw aid programs to take care of the kids to mothers who otherwise can't afford them (or are too lazy to work).

What is the reason for this? Contraception sometimes fails and a lot of women are irresponsible anyway. For those instances, do we make the women have the kid, and then let the kid starve? It's not like you can force the women to get a job, and even if she does, minimum wage (for low skill women) is not enough for housing and child care.
Step 1: keep you legs together, and only have sex if you can afford children
Step 2: if you're so unlucky that your protection fails once (and I'm thinking it happens FAR less than liberals would hope), learn your lesson and SAY NO next time
Step 3: if you're so stupid that Step 1 and 2 apply, too bad so sad. Why should your stupidity be rewarded?

You said is yourself - a lot of women are irresponsible, so NO, they should not get government aid for being irresponsible.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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You're dodging the question. What do we do with teens/young women who are irresponsible, lazy, or don't care? What if their parents are dirt poor also and can't help them out?

Would you rather the young woman spend a week's paycheck to get a abortion, or live on the dole for 18 years? Or let the kid starve?
How about none of the above. I bet if she wasn't paid for her stupidity, she'd think twice about getting knocked up again.

You forgot adoption. Of course, liberals always go for the extreme......
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:19 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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But want to get rid of government handout programs to take care of these unwanted babys?



This GOP philosophy never made since to me. Outlaw abortion, but then outlaw aid programs to take care of the kids to mothers who otherwise can't afford them (or are too lazy to work).

What is the reason for this? Contraception sometimes fails and a lot of women are irresponsible anyway. For those instances, do we make the women have the kid, and then let the kid starve? It's not like you can force the women to get a job, and even if she does, minimum wage (for low skill women) is not enough for housing and child care.
Women, according to some in and affiliated with the GOP believe aspirin should be used for a contraceptive.


Santorum Backer Friess Suggests "Aspirin Between Their Knees" As Contraception - YouTube


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Killing a born child that you decide you no longer want would be responsible then right?
Naaaa, we just wait for republican chicken hawks to take over the white house, and send the kids off to useless wars, it helps curb the population of Americans.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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In my opinion, not a single one of the profile advocates are addressing the issue as it relates to the greater GOP philosophy of reducing/eliminating social safety nets.

Let me state this more clearly:

1. Conservatives such as Mike Pence want women to have more babies instead of aborting them as stated in the OP youtube video.

2. Conservatives want to defund/eliminate programs that help low income single mothers.

3. Conservatives want women not to abort and give the kid up for adoption if she can't afford to take care of her kid. This option is on the governments dime and contradicts with #2

Looking up adoption statistics, these kids live on the government dole for YEARS, a lot of times NEVER getting adopted

ADOPTION INSTITUTE: FOSTER CARE FACTS

Now, can someone explain this to me? Is the GOP position that irresponsible women should be force to have kids and be forced to put them in foster care? The only social program the government should be funding is foster care? You can't have it both ways. When these kids come home, the government is going to be paying for it either way either with welfare benefits to the mother or foster care for the kid.
Liberals really are deranged....here's what Conservatives want: women to have children when they can afford them. People to take responsibility for their own actions. To stop women from thinking the government will be their baby-daddy for life - it's just another form of slavery. But we all know that liberals are the true woman-haters.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Step 1: keep you legs together, and only have sex if you can afford children
Step 2: if you're so unlucky that your protection fails once (and I'm thinking it happens FAR less than liberals would hope), learn your lesson and SAY NO next time
Step 3: if you're so stupid that Step 1 and 2 apply, too bad so sad. Why should your stupidity be rewarded?

You said is yourself - a lot of women are irresponsible, so NO, they should not get government aid for being irresponsible.
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How about none of the above. I bet if she wasn't paid for her stupidity, she'd think twice about getting knocked up again.

You forgot adoption. Of course, liberals always go for the extreme......
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Liberals really are deranged....here's what Conservatives want: women to have children when they can afford them. People to take responsibility for their own actions. To stop women from thinking the government will be their baby-daddy for life - it's just another form of slavery. But we all know that liberals are the true woman-haters.
I notice one thing here. The woman, the woman, the woman.....it's all her fault.

FYI.....for every mother and child on the public dole.....there is a deadbeat dad shirking HIS responsibilities.

And, I've got news for ya. In the vast majority of cases, when a woman chooses abortion.....baby daddy lets out a sigh of relief.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Plenty of people say they want to eliminate welfare benefits and yet this has not been a priority for Congress even in those years when the GOP controlled both chambers.

Anyone serious about balancing the budget would advocate for allowing Medicare to negotiate the price of prescription drugs and medical devices.

Anyone serious about balancing the budget would not insist on building tanks for the military that they did not ask for or want so they are given to Egypt.
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