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Don't waste your breath. This has been pointed out to behaviorial socialists (AKA, social conservatives) time and time again, and yet it does. not. compute.
Too bad the proposed Amendment regarding free higher education was not in effect back whe they were having a go-around, because it would probably have aided in their ability to recognize WHY plants and animals lack capacity to contract. In THEIR world, though, they can sell cars and houses to dogs, and apparently enter into and enforce business contracts against cats and carrots alike.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect "inherent" rights. Meaning, if you are not born with the ability (such as speech, defense, liberty, etc.) then it is not an "inherent" right.
The last time I checked, nobody was born with a teacher, building contractor, employer, or a doctor (the one performing the delivery does not count). Which means that education, housing, health care, or any other service or product that must be provided by another is not an "inherent" right.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect "inherent" rights. Meaning, if you are not born with the ability (such as speech, defense, liberty, etc.) then it is not an "inherent" right.
The last time I checked, nobody was born with a teacher, building contractor, employer, or a doctor (the one performing the delivery does not count). Which means that education, housing, health care, or any other service or product that must be provided by another is not an "inherent" right.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect "inherent" rights. Meaning, if you are not born with the ability (such as speech, defense, liberty, etc.) then it is not an "inherent" right.
The last time I checked, nobody was born with a teacher, building contractor, employer, or a doctor (the one performing the delivery does not count). Which means that education, housing, health care, or any other service or product that must be provided by another is not an "inherent" right.
Your opinion of which rights are important is noted (don't know how the right to a jury trial is an ability your born with, but hey)... but has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying, or the topic I was referring to.
That's kinda narrow minded, isn't it? Why not say "Any American shall have the right to enter into a marriage contract with any number of people, animals or plants"
The 9th Amendment merely acknowledges that not all inherent rights are listed in the first eight amendments. That other inherent rights exist that are not listed.
Your opinion of which rights are important is noted (don't know how the right to a jury trial is an ability your born with, but hey)... but has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying, or the topic I was referring to.
The right to be judged by one's peers, the right to face your accuser, and the right to an attorney is a carry-over from English Civil Law. But since it does require the involvement of others, you are are correct, it cannot be an "inherent" right.
FYI, States can absolish the jury system and it would still be constitutional.
The 9th Amendment merely acknowledges that not all inherent rights are listed in the first eight amendments. That other inherent rights exist that are not listed.
[quote=nicet4;19079009]How about enshrining the rights, as granted to us by the government, to a job, healthcare, retirement and housing in the Constitution?
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Amendment 28. Citizens of the United State of America have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance wit the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum), including the right to choose their trade or profession, type of job and work in accordance with their inclinations, abilities, training and education, with due account of the needs of society.
This right is ensured by the American economic system, steady growth of the productive forces, free vocational and professional training, improvement of skills, training in new trades or professions, and development of the systems of vocational guidance and job placement.
You want to guarantee people's choice of profession? Where do I sign up for porn star?
This isn't American at all, free market should be the rule of how much you get paid, and where you can work. It'd be silly to pass an amendment like this.
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Amendment 29. Citizens of the United State of America have the right to rest and leisure.
This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 40 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time.
No they do not. You have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Days off are not guaranteed under a free society. if you don't like your hours, find a different job. I have been working 60 hour weeks for the last 5 weeks, sorry, I needed to get some extra stuff done.
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Amendment 30. Citizens of the United State of America have the right to health protection.
This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.
I think that healthcare should be given by the government, with limitations. Life threatening and other things that are deemed needed should be taken care of. Slight acne problems in your teens isn't one of those, and you could buy supplemental insurance to take care of that. But if you break a leg, it should be taken care of.
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Amendment 31. Citizens of the United State of America have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner.
The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers; by allowances for temporary disability; by the provision by the state or by collective farms of retirement pensions, disability pensions, and pensions for loss of the breadwinner; by providing employment for the partially disabled; by care for the elderly and the disabled; and by other forms of social security.
Again, a free society. Most seniors don't have anything to worry about. In Florida, for instance, anyone over the age of 55 can get food stamps, without a job. That accounts for a lot of money, and you can survive off the food stamps given to you. Seniors who aren't picky, and are in need are taken care of already. We don't need an amendment for those.
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Amendment 32. Citizens of the United State of America have the rights to housing.
This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing; by assistance for co-operative and individual house building; by fair distribution, under public control, of the housing that becomes available through fulfilment of the programme of building well-appointed dwellings, and by low rents and low charges for utility services. Citizens of the United State of America shall take good care of the housing allocated to them.
Socialist much? I agree that no one in the richest country in the world should go without housing. But to make a mandate like this would only serve to bankrupt the nation. Work must be done to make up for the loss, unless you are unable to work.
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Amendment 33. Citizens of the United State of America have the right to education.
This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production; by the development of extramural, correspondence and evening courses, by the provision of state scholarships and grants and privileges for students; by the free issue of school textbooks; by the opportunity to attend a school where teaching is in the native language; and by the provision of facilities for self-education.
What do you think of the following amendments?
Thoughts?
Just about everyone who wants an education, and can be taught, can get access to one.
Yes to 28. No to 29,32 and 33. 31 is unnecessary. Undecided on 30. 29 will not fly in this country since we are such workaholics, for some it would be torture to be limited to only 40 hours of work.
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