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I was responding to your post in particular, and to your use of the word "sodomize" in particular. You said "if a man sodomizes another man, he has committed a homosexual act", which is true, but that doesn't mean he is necessarily homosexual. That's where the erroneous leap is being made.
Rape is very different from sex in that it isn't indicative of orientation. Rape is about power. Sex is being used as a tool for abuse. It's not about expressing one's sexuality or sexual orientation.
A man putting his penis in another man's behind is a homosexual act in the sense that it's male-on-male, but it doesn't make someone homosexual. Rape aside, someone could be just experimenting but still identify themselves as straight. In many prison situations, men and women who usually identify as straight and have heterosexual relations in the world at large turn to homosexual behavior. Since they have no opposite-sex options, they have no choice but to choose same-sex partners.
In Iran, male prison guards rape male prisoners as part of punishment for a variety of crimes. However the male prisoners don't identify themselves as gay, and are actually particularly rough on prisoners who have received their sentence as a result of a homosexual act.
As you can see, there are plenty of situations where a homosexual act isn't indicative of a homosexual orientation. Having gay sex doesn't make you gay.
Ok, I can't even get it going for a fat chick. Please explain to me how someone "gets it up" without the new modern drugs for some stinky guys fat butt? Really? They may not identify as being gay but oh brother, that is so gay. If you get aroused by dude's butt you are wayyyyy gay. Not that it's a bad thing. Even if they ran in the other room to watch some porn it would switch off like a light unless of course, that turns you on.
Make all the excuses in the world, but you are now a homosexual or bi-sexual.
There may be some psychiatric condition where rage is the over riding factor, but again, the act labels you what you have become.
This is where the argument really stems from, I think...being gay has nothing to do with any act. Being gay is simply the attraction to the same gender. You can be 100% gay and never have sex your whole life with anyone.
Similarly, you can be straight and do it with someone of your own gender (for a million different reasons).
It's not the ACT. It's the attraction.
Rape is not about sex. It's about power. Attraction has little to do with it.
As you can see, there are plenty of situations where a homosexual act isn't indicative of a homosexual orientation. Having gay sex doesn't make you gay.
Exactly. Just like committing a murderous act doesn't make one a murderer.
This is where the argument really stems from, I think...being gay has nothing to do with any act. Being gay is simply the attraction to the same gender. You can be 100% gay and never have sex your whole life with anyone.
Similarly, you can be straight and do it with someone of your own gender (for a million different reasons).
It's not the ACT. It's the attraction.
Rape is not about sex. It's about power. Attraction has little to do with it.
You know what Stan, I agree with some of the things you say and disagree with others.
I want to say for some reason, you post has a validity I have dismissed from many others on this thread. It seems you have no agenda, nothing to lose or gain.
Exactly. Just like committing a murderous act doesn't make one a murderer.
No...bad analogy...because a murderer, by definition, is someone who murdered someone. A homosexual is someone who is attracted to the same sex. Not just someone who had sex with someone of the same sex once or something.
No...bad analogy...because a murderer, by definition, is someone who murdered someone. A homosexual is someone who is attracted to the same sex. Not just someone who had sex with someone of the same sex once or something.
Well, that's a broad spectrum. I wouldn't call someone who "wanted" to murder someone a murderer until after the act. I believe you can be "gay" without ever having sex, someone I work with is just like that. On the other hand, the act of sex, for whatever reason, with the same sex is at the very least bisexual. At the very outside of it if you are turned on by over powering someone and violating them it still has the "turned on" aspect of liking the same sex. What's the term if you can't get aroused for sex, attempted assault with a dead weapon.
Well, that's a broad spectrum. I wouldn't call someone who "wanted" to murder someone a murderer until after the act.
Yes, I agree...it's not an easy label you can stick in a shoebox and file away...
Gay is not an action. Murder is. A murderer can be defined by his actions. A gay person cannot.
I think if more people understood this, they would not make stupid remarks about 'choices' and 'lifestyles.'
What you CAN choose is not to act on your attraction and fake attraction to the opposite sex in order to live a more 'acceptable' lifestyle and make other people happier and more comfortable. That's up to each person. But that doesn't make them not gay.
Yes, I agree...it's not an easy label you can stick in a shoebox and file away...
Gay is not an action. Murder is. A murderer can be defined by his actions. A gay person cannot.
I think if more people understood this, they would not make stupid remarks about 'choices' and 'lifestyles.'
What you CAN choose is not to act on your attraction and fake attraction to the opposite sex in order to live a more 'acceptable' lifestyle and make other people happier and more comfortable. That's up to each person. But that doesn't make them not gay.
And... I think comparing someone who is gay to a murderer is wayyy off base btw. Somehow that one got sideways.
And... I think comparing someone who is gay to a murderer is wayyy off base btw. Somehow that one got sideways.
Just to note that I'm not implying anything with the comparison. I support gays fully. But, as a hetero man, I cannot imagine raping another man. It would be a physical impossibility as the mere thought would make 'it' limp. I realize that rapists can get excited by the power/violence aspect, but the homo aspect would be enough to kill any rigidity if they are indeed 100% hetero.
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Somehow that one got sideways.
