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Old 06-01-2011, 05:49 PM
 
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This would be a natural out come of Tea Party ideology.

Fire departments funded to the bare minimum.
So what's the excuse for it happening in Libtopia?
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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I don't really understand why the original top relating to the news article is necessarily tied to limited government. The fact that it relates to budget cuts seems entirely incidental to me. The real issue is not whether budget cuts "caused" some travesty.... because in some peoples minds there was no travesty at all.

This is very clearly an issue of suicide and how public policy chooses to treat it. Should it take the noseybody approach, or does it let people die in peace. That issue pretty much transcends party line politics and comes down to who is a nosy authoritative bastard that can't even let people F-ing die in peace. This is an issue of who here will, and who won't, stick their nose into other peoples suicides (as an aside, I love [/sarcasm] how many times over the last few decades cops have busted into peoples houses to save them from suicide and then ended up killing them).

Being an authoritative prick who won't even let a person die in peace is an attribute which tends to transcend party politics, since there are authoritative pricks in every political party. Tea Party really has nothing to do with it.... The fact that the Tea Party was even mentioned could be viewed as somewhat telling. It shows that the person likely has authoritarian tendencies for the simple reason that they think the situation warranted interference to begin with. The budget issue is really just a little sideplot to it all. It's really about the desire to stick ones nose in to suicide attempts.

My conclusion, they did the right thing.... partly for the wrong reasons. Had there not been budget cuts, what would be the result of that? They would have had the budget to go out and engage in authoritarian services? That's what we want? Well, that's certainly what the authoritarians sure want... that we know.
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:55 PM
 
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I don't really understand why the original top relating to the news article is necessarily tied to limited government. The fact that it relates to budget cuts seems entirely incidental to me. The real issue is not whether budget cuts "caused" some travesty.... because in some peoples minds there was no travesty at all.

This is very clearly an issue of suicide and how public policy chooses to treat it. Should it take the noseybody approach, or does it let people die in peace. That issue pretty much transcends party line politics and comes down to who is a nosy authoritative bastard that can't even let people F-ing die in peace. This is an issue of who here will, and who won't, stick their nose into other peoples suicides (as an aside, I love [/sarcasm] how many times over the last few decades cops have busted into peoples houses to save them from suicide and then ended up killing them).

Being an authoritative prick who won't even let a person die in peace is an attribute which tends to transcend party politics, since there are authoritative pricks in every political party. Tea Party really has nothing to do with it.... The fact that the Tea Party was even mentioned could be viewed as somewhat telling. It shows that the person likely has authoritarian tendencies for the simple reason that they think the situation warranted interference to begin with. The budget issue is really just a little sideplot to it all. It's really about the desire to stick ones nose in to suicide attempts.

My conclusion, they did the right thing.... partly for the wrong reasons. Had there not been budget cuts, what would be the result of that? They would have had the budget to go out and engage in authoritarian services? That's what we want? Well, that's certainly what the authoritarians sure want... that we know.
This is not about govt or authoritarianism. This is about a human hurting who even took the time to look at the beach - most likely to see if anyone gave a durn enough about him to help. In that situation, no wonder he drowned himself as no one did care enough to help.
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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This is very clearly an issue of suicide and how public policy chooses to treat it.
No it isn't because if this were an accident they wouldn't have been able to save the victim.
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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So what's the excuse for it happening in Libtopia?
BINGO!!!!!

can I write it any louder?!?
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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this happening in san fran is irrelevant to my point.

the tea party wants everything scaled back right?
that means local governments, cops, firefighters etc.

a similar argument i couldve brought up was those firefighters who stood in front of a house somewhere and let it burn to the ground due to budget cuts.

the tea party doesnt want government involved but doesnt realize the services local governments provide them. when those services disappear, they will whine and want them back.

they think on a macro level, thats there problem.
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:01 PM
 
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So what's the excuse for it happening in Libtopia?
Libtopia?

I suppose you are not aware the the GOP minority in California was able to thwart the raising of taxes on the wealthy to relieve their budget crisis?

Lots of legislative houses need super majorities to pass bills.

You should study civics and current events more.
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:03 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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This happened in SF..the least "tea party" city in the nation.
This is the libs doing. How can you blame that on the tea party ?

Maybe SF should worry more about services and funding them rather than go after McDonald happy meals, plastic bags and circumcision.
Maybe you should actually read the article.

Alameda IS NOT San Francisco, your bias is showing
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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BINGO!!!!!

can I write it any louder?!?
x2
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:04 PM
 
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the tea party wants everything scaled back right?
that means local governments, cops, firefighters etc.
Actually no. Most of the the Tea Party members I know aren't for any such thing. What they want is to do is scale back the Federal government and all it's reckless spending which would give local governement a greater role .
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