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Old 06-10-2011, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Cutting the deficit and containing health care costs would certainly stimulate the economy.


LOL, 70% may want it to stay the way it is but it can't, it is unsustainable. I am sure 90% of the electorate would like big shiny new cars too!

Because something is easy, it doesn't make it right.
Its not containing healthcare costs. Medicare does that with its ability to negotiate.

Ryans plan is to give private citizens the same money spent on medicare to get private insurance. There is no negotiation with the private insurance company, therefore it would increase the cost, increase the number of people without care, and ended medicare. It wouldn't have created one job.

I didn't say it must remain the same, but there are smaller cuts and changes that can be done. Republicans went off the deep end saying you must end the program, which is stupid and no one will ever support it.

Reason with people, tell them that life expectancy has gone up, so should the retirement age for medicare and social security. While many people won't like that, the majority of people can swallow that pill.

The vote won't swallow end the programs, as Ryans plan would have done with medicare.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Its not containing healthcare costs. Medicare does that with its ability to negotiate.

Ryans plan is to give private citizens the same money spent on medicare to get private insurance. There is no negotiation with the private insurance company, therefore it would increase the cost, increase the number of people without care, and ended medicare. It wouldn't have created one job.

I didn't say it must remain the same, but there are smaller cuts and changes that can be done. Republicans went off the deep end saying you must end the program, which is stupid and no one will ever support it.

Reason with people, tell them that life expectancy has gone up, so should the retirement age for medicare and social security. While many people won't like that, the majority of people can swallow that pill.

The vote won't swallow end the programs, as Ryans plan would have done with medicare.
I don't think it is possible for you to know less about Medicare.

Meicare Part D is a similar program to what Ryan is proposing. It is the only Medicare plan to come in under budget, and it is WAAAAAY under budget. Because it is a competitive system. The rest of Medicare is on the verge of bankruptcy.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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budget cuts will NEVER balance the obscene amount of shortfall and deficit the Bush era tax cuts ,two wars, and unprecedented amounts of outsourcing did to this country. Letting the tax cuts for the upper 1% of the country lapse as it was meant to do, and JOBS, JOBS JOBS are the ONLY way to get back on the road to recovery. We cannot recover off the backs of the most vulnerable.
Budget cuts can help balance the budget, but revenue should be raised as well.

We can't suddenly change the economy. Its kind of like weaning a drug addict off of their drug. You have to do it slowly.

But we should balance the budget, and part of that will most definitely need to be budget cuts. Military, balance social security by raising the retirement age, cap medicare spending and raise the eligibility age.

Those things can balance the budget, cause very few ripples, and most Americans can support it. I'm not even saying we should stop there, there are a lot of government programs that need to have their spending reigned in.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:33 AM
 
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Default point well taken...except

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Cutting the deficit and containing health care costs would certainly stimulate the economy.


LOL, 70% may want it to stay the way it is but it can't, it is unsustainable. I am sure 90% of the electorate would like big shiny new cars too!

Because something is easy, it doesn't make it right.
There are many ways to cut the deficit....lets start by letting those tax cuts to the wealthy lapse....that is where the deficit started. Lets bring down that military budget....that is where the deficit started.....lets bring those outsoured jobs back into this country, tax the corporations that don't bring them back, and make it financially difficult for them to outsource any more jobs. That will stimulate the economy and we can ALL keep health care and our SSI safe and sound! You can start changing those basic features for the NEW people coming up the 20 and 30 somethings can choose to change things for their generation. The rest of it already paid for our entitlements, or are too late in the game to save enough to offset the loss of the entitlement.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:33 AM
 
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Sure the republicans stole the economy this time;the democrats are always victims when their policies fail, Its Bush;its the rich ;its business and the list goes on. Its a conspircay;LOL
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:34 AM
 
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I don't think it is possible for you to know less about Medicare.

Meicare Part D is a similar program to what Ryan is proposing. It is the only Medicare plan to come in under budget, and it is WAAAAAY under budget. Because it is a competitive system. The rest of Medicare is on the verge of bankruptcy.
Washington, D.C. – Over the past five months, virtually all Medicare (Part D) plans raised their prices for the top drugs prescribed to seniors, according to a report issued today by the health consumer organization Families USA. The report, based on pricing data submitted by the plans to the federal government, contradicts the Bush Administration’s assertions that the new Medicare drug program is effectively moderating rising drug costs.

Medicare Part D plans raised their prices for top drugs sold to seniors...Part D Drug prices Increased by 3.7 percent over the past five months
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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There are many ways to cut the deficit....lets start by letting those tax cuts to the wealthy lapse....that is where the deficit started. Lets bring down that military budget....that is where the deficit started.....lets bring those outsoured jobs back into this country, tax the corporations that don't bring them back, and make it financially difficult for them to outsource any more jobs. That will stimulate the economy and we can ALL keep health care and our SSI safe and sound! You can start changing those basic features for the NEW people coming up the 20 and 30 somethings can choose to change things for their generation. The rest of it already paid for our entitlements, or are too late in the game to save enough to offset the loss of the entitlement.


I think all your ideas are horrible and would kill the economy but the reason they aren't implemented isn't because of Republicans.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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I think all your ideas are horrible and would kill the economy but the reason they aren't implemented isn't because of Republicans.
You just said that the Republican plan for medicare would be like Medicare part D.

I just showed you where Medicare part D has raised the debt, raised costs, its an all around failure, and you're going to tell someone else that their ideas are horrible.

Unbelievable.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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Smile Agreed,

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Budget cuts can help balance the budget, but revenue should be raised as well.

We can't suddenly change the economy. Its kind of like weaning a drug addict off of their drug. You have to do it slowly.

But we should balance the budget, and part of that will most definitely need to be budget cuts. Military, balance social security by raising the retirement age, cap medicare spending and raise the eligibility age.

Those things can balance the budget, cause very few ripples, and most Americans can support it. I'm not even saying we should stop there, there are a lot of government programs that need to have their spending reigned in.
But getting people back to work, is an immediate return dollar for dollar. The lower income someone insures that each penny is put right back into the economy. The middle income working class people do more to stimulate an economy than every tax break ever given to a corporation because the money is actually physically spent within the economy. We need jobs being created in a private sector/government backed system to not only take this country into the rest of this new millenium, but repair the old infrastructure and make us great again. FDR policy with a twist in that the private/capitalist corporations are working arm in arm with the government to get it done.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:42 AM
 
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Default You are talking to the wind....

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You just said that the Republican plan for medicare would be like Medicare part D.

I just showed you where Medicare part D has raised the debt, raised costs, its an all around failure, and you're going to tell someone else that their ideas are horrible.

Unbelievable.
Don't try reason with dittoheads.
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