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View Poll Results: Do you support reparations?
Yes 27 9.57%
No 255 90.43%
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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What social "entitlement" programs would you be thinking of? The same programs that lead to many solidly middle class black neighborhoods in cities across the country being bulldozed - businesses included - and replaced with public housing projects that were seldom maintained, located in the outskirts of town and had little to no access to jobs or amenities? That's some reparations alright.
Welfare, WIC, ACORN, the money the congress people bring back to their districts for special favors to garner votes, all of it. Why do folks keep wanting and using these programs if they destroy their neighborhoods? Just because the money wasn't used wisely doesn't mean reparations have not been paid!

With your quote above you could have described my town or Detroit. Doesn't matter. Throwing good money after bad paid over 80+ years isn't going to solve anything. Not my fault that my taxdollars to those innercity schools have been squandered to the tune of $8,000.00/student.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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One poster has a good idea, give the descendants of slaves a $1,000.00 tax credit..

Coupled with another post about the descendants of slaves compensating all families who lost a family member fighting for the slaves freedom. let's say $1,000.00 per loss of life.

Done deal....

Now we can forget about this issue permanently
So you figure that 200 some odd years of slavery should be met with a $1,000 tax credit? I mean IF you want reparations, you should be talking about paying a modern fair wage per year...

However, it's too divisive and would not work as a policy.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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So you figure that 200 some odd years of slavery should be met with a $1,000 tax credit? I mean IF you want reparations, you should be talking about paying a modern fair wage per year...

However, it's too divisive and would not work as a policy.
You post as though this was something aside from the social norm of the time. You post as though blacks were the only ones in slavery. You post as though blacks were the only ones denied an opportunity to advance themselves. Slavery was not only ended but blacks got the right to vote more than 4 decades before women.

So, since women have been repressed in this country longer than blacks, why not reparations to us? Could it be another racist agenda?
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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Welfare, WIC, the money the congress people bring back to their districts for special favors to garner votes, all of it. Why do folks keep wanting and using these programs if they destroy their neighborhoods? Just because the money wasn't used wisely doesn't mean reparations have not been paid!

With your quote above you could have described my town or Detroit. Doesn't matter. Throwing good money after bad paid over 80+ years isn't going to solve anything. Not my fault that my taxdollars to those innercity schools have been squandered to the tune of $8,000.00/student.
There is so little you seem to know.

Redlining, Jim Crow, lack of acquired wealth, unequal law enforcement, unfair hiring practices, the wholesale shipment of manufacturing abroad, lack of per pupil spending (until recently...this is a very recent thing), reduced benefits for the poor since the 1980s...

These are the things that are have destroyed neighborhoods...not squandering the bread crumbs (WIC, Welfare).

The money did help stabilize these poor communities, however it simply is too little too late to repair the damage caused by longstanding policies and attitudes against Blacks.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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You post as though this was something aside from the social norm of the time. You post as though blacks were the only ones in slavery. You post as though blacks were the only ones denied an opportunity to advance themselves. Slavery was not only ended but blacks got the right to vote more than 4 decades before women.

So, since women have been repressed in this country longer than blacks, why not reparations to us? Could it be another racist agenda?
Right because White women were also slaves. They also had separate but equal schools. Women had more opportunities than Blacks at the time.

Women have been oppressed (though not nearly to the same extent), but the thread is not about reparations for women.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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There is so little you seem to know.

Redlining, Jim Crow, lack of acquired wealth, unequal law enforcement, unfair hiring practices, the wholesale shipment of manufacturing abroad, lack of per pupil spending (until recently...this is a very recent thing), reduced benefits for the poor since the 1980s...

These are the things that are have destroyed neighborhoods...not squandering the bread crumbs (WIC, Welfare).

The money did help stabilize these poor communities, however it simply is too little too late to repair the damage caused by longstanding policies and attitudes against Blacks.
Once you cease being a victim, thats the day you are truly free.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:55 PM
 
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Once you cease being a victim, thats the day you are truly free.
Okay, so let's be happy the Blacks with a college degree make LESS than Whites with the same credentials?

Should we jump for joy that people with a "Black" sounding name don't get an interview at the same rates as people with a "White" sounding name?

What about being thankful that Black unemployment rates with those that have a bachelor's degree or better are the same as Whites with a high school diploma?

Right...it's all about victim mentality.

Noticed I VOTED NO!!! I think that rectifying the wrongs that continue is not the same as playing the victim. It's living in reality and trying to make a better future.
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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Here we are 150 years after the days of slavery. Black Americans are still living substandard lives. Dennis Kucinich supported reparations for black Americans.

For those who don't know what reparations are, here is the Webster Dictionary definition:

reparations
1. The making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

So, Kucinich believes that federal tax dollars should be distributed to black Americans, to relieve them of the disadvantaged position that they continue to live in today, compared to the averae American.

Do you support reparations?
one of my ancestors was a slave, & I don't think I should be entitled to anything "special" because of it.

I'll probably hear a lot of hisses and growls about this, but:
these days, people (any race) who 'continue to live in disadvantaged positions' it's more a matter of laziness & lack of motivation than anything else...
this is not the 1950s-- these days, race does not prevent any American citizen from going to school, getting a higher education, jobs., etc., so if people prefer to sit on their butts & make excuses I don't think "federal tax dollars" should have to cover them.

I agree with D. Kuchinich on many topics-- but not this one.
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Default 40 Acres and a Mule.......

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Here we are 150 years after the days of slavery. Black Americans are still living substandard lives. Dennis Kucinich supported reparations for black Americans.

For those who don't know what reparations are, here is the Webster Dictionary definition:

reparations
1. The making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

So, Kucinich believes that federal tax dollars should be distributed to black Americans, to relieve them of the disadvantaged position that they continue to live in today, compared to the averae American.

Do you support reparations?
That was already done by Abraham Lincolm until he was
assassinated for that very reason among other's reason's
, his replacement promptly did away with the famous " 40
Acres and a Mule package that was given to Ex-Slaves "...
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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one of my ancestors was a slave, & I don't think I should be entitled to anything "special" because of it.

I'll probably hear a lot of hisses and growls about this, but:
these days, people (any race) who 'continue to live in disadvantaged positions' it's more a matter of laziness & lack of motivation than anything else...
this is not the 1950s-- these days, race does not prevent any American citizen from going to school, getting a higher education, jobs., etc., so if people prefer to sit on their butts & make excuses I don't think "federal tax dollars" should have to cover them.

I agree with D. Kuchinich on many topics-- but not this one.
Great post. You said it perfectly.
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