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Old 07-09-2011, 12:43 AM
 
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The comments about a dictator were sort of funny, but the truth is that it would take an extremely brutal dictator to correct the types of problems we have right now. They would have to make Joseph Stalin look like a choir boy, but we don't want that b/c that type of person would probably send 200,000,000 people to massive FEMA concentration camps.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:46 AM
 
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The fed can be abolished. And we can mint coins. They are not part of the national debt. Defrauding the middle class is what is going on, the real sacrifices that you are talking about is the supper wealthy giving back the wealth that they took. If you want us to pay back the credit card bill then we need full employment and a booming economy. The alternative is to default.
Now Nancy Pelosi said we can all fulfill our dreams................
We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care
No worries.............. we all now have health care, we will be forced to buy.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Now Nancy Pelosi said we can all fulfill our dreams................
We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care
No worries.............. we all now have health care, we will be forced to buy.
It was the Democrats wish to have free health care but the Republicans stopped that. Thank them because it was the closest that we could get.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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It was the Democrats wish to have free health care but the Republicans stopped that. Thank them because it was the closest that we could get.
You actually think we would have "FREE" Healthcare. Some think welfare is "FREE" who pays for welfare??

I believe that bill that Nancy Pelsoi wanted passed, you know the one where is said "pass it so we will know what's in it", that one, we will be fined if we don't purchase it.............as you see nothing is ever "FREE"
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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So would you chose someone like Pyongyang, Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud AchmadiNejad or Bashar al-Assad.

I can't believe you people agree with this. Do you actually think we would have a Dictator that wouldn't become power hungry. What are you thinking!! This is down right scary that Americans would think like this.
In fact we could wind up with work camps like the old Soviet Union. They work people to death.

Our Military has been PC political people at the higher levels for a long time. Expect no help there.

There is no George Washington to run the place for awhile, then step down even though many wanted him to be a King or President for life.

The demographics have largely been changed as well. Poor health and dependency on the public trough is now close to the norm.

Being poor in the USA could wind up being the norm, and likely will not have the cohesive society that we once had.
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:42 PM
 
Location: SC
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It's 3 now..Yemen, Libya and now it's also Somalia.

That's in addition to Afghanistan and Iraq.
You forgot Pakistan. It is 4 illegal wars that have been started by Obama.
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:48 PM
 
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You forgot Pakistan. It is 4 illegal wars that have been started by Obama.
A god damned country in retreat and a spiraling downturn.

Either that or a corporate take over involving every single one of our bases is about to occur.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you expect the "government" to do in regards to helping the middle class(or poor). There are a multitude of issues that are creating this current downturn/depression, primarily the inflation of housing values that created the perception of growth over the last 10-15 years. Resource scarcity, lack of an industrial/manufacturing base, a highly polarized population in terms of wealth disparity and social background have helped create the situation we are in currently. For the example of health care, how can someone logically believe the system as it is currently set up is sustainable? The Health Care reform of 2009 was a lousy band-aid fix while ignoring the true problem, namely that we as a people don't want everyone to get health care. We(individually, of course) want the best health care for ourselves and our family, yet don't want to pay or share for our white trash neighbor or that hispanic family across the street. At least if we were honest with ourselves, we wouldn't have the medicare/medicaid deficit issues. If you want to fix health care, allow private hospitals to reject emergency care patients and abolish medicare. Why should I pay for someone's grandparent to get a new hip and live an extra 5 years?

Same thing with taxes. From a layman's perspective, balancing the budget should be easy; calculate your expenses, adjust your tax rate accordingly. Because we feel that richer citizens should contribute more than poorer people, we have a progressive income tax. But then we have all these deductions for things like owning a home, being married, moving expenses, etc. Why can't we remove all these deductions? Seems like a great idea until your own personal bottom line gets eaten into. Everyone here is all about cutting spending, primarily because it doesn't effect their personal life. That's why medicare and social security are off the drawing board, no one wants to make any painful choices. Medicaid's a different story, because only poor people use that. Same with higher education expenses, that impacts a non-voting segment of the population(18-25). We won't see any great leadership from our congress or from our president because we are all too selfish to sacrifice anything that would help our country in the long run, be it higher taxes or cuts to social services.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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No, you missed it completely.

Being the oppressive monster on the planet is what's caused this crisis.

We choose, at every turn, to take resources from people and kill them if they opposed that at any cost.

That has a cost that wasn't apparent to the people making those decisions.

It built up over 100 years and it'll take just about as long to disperse.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:25 AM
 
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Now Nancy Pelosi said we can all fulfill our dreams................
We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care
No worries.............. we all now have health care, we will be forced to buy.
Mandated debt. Dressed up in health care. If you want cheaper health care unevenly inflate the economy. Keep the top from moving and grow the bottom.

As far as Pelosi's fantasy goes. What a con. And we had to pass it to see what was inside of it. No. I'm all for having all bills presented in handwriting by the sponsoring person.
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