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Than you'll be glad to know that Georgia Power has designs to add two nuclear reactors. That's probably as much of a reason as to why they want to shut down the coal plants as any EPA regulations. But it's more alarming to blame the EPA than to admit that they want to do more with nuclear power.
I only quoted the folks at Georgia Power, who cited the EPA regs for their reason to close three coal-fired power plants.
you missed my point, dems scare mongered people over nuclear power, so now we have thousands of coal plants. now the dems are scaring us about man-made global warming and trying to close coal power plants.
If the dems would stop lurching from one bogeyman to the next, we might actually have been doing the sensible thing all along. The libs hate electrical generation plants that use fossil fuels and they hate nuclear, its either one or the other, cuz wind and solar and bio-fuel power are definitely not in the cards, not even in the remote future.
If you think the EPA is the problem, you're part of the problem.
Home Run!
Too bad some here will Never get it, for them the almighty dollar is more important than the planet we live on. Funny thing is it is rarely any of them making that dollar but some big business that could not care less about them or their families, talk about willing Pawns, the illogic used is simply beyond belief.
Casper
How many people in the world have been killed by nuclear power plants, and how many people have been killed by.... oh I don't know, pick one; cars, swimming pools, stairs, skate boards, or even lightning storms?
Of course, we really don't know because it may take years before people die of cancer and then doctors can't conclusively state it was caused by a power plant. We do have evidence, however:
over the course of the last quarter-century, there has been an explosion of thyroid problems in Olsztyn. Maria told me that entire hospital wings are now devoted to thyroid disease. This is no exaggeration. Dr. Artur Zalewski, an Olsztyn thyroid surgeon, confirmed that his practice had seen a huge increase in thyroid operations since the early 1990s. Some people have cancerous thyroids, but many more have enlarged thyroids, or thyroids that have stopped functioning properly.
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Just as in Chernobyl’s case, it will be years before we know how the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station will affect the health of those who lived nearby. Although much less radiation escaped, it did leak into the water, and traces have been found in the food supply. It makes one wonder how to deal with nuclear power, which offers the tantalizing prospect of clean energy — along with the ever-present risk of disaster should something go wrong. These are not simple questions — as we are reminded whenever there is an accident like Fukushima Daiichi. Or Chernobyl.
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The thyroid cancer rate for the four New York counties flanking Indian Point -- Orange, Putnam, Rockland and Westchester -- over that period was 66 percent above the U.S. average, RPHP reported in a 2009 paper. Before Indian Point was built in the 1970s, the rate was in line with national averages, RPHP said.
Home Run!
Too bad some here will Never get it, for them the almighty dollar is more important than the planet we live on. Funny thing is it is rarely any of them making that dollar but some big business that could not care less about them or their families, talk about willing Pawns, the illogic used is simply beyond belief.
Casper
Not just the planet. I'm old enough to remember how hard it was to breathe in NYC during the summer and I remember Lake Erie catching fire. I'm for EPA regulations precisely because I'm selfish.
Yves Smith links to an interesting article about wind power; apparently it’s possible to get a lot more power from a given acreage of wind farm if you design the turbines in a way that minimizes aerodynamic interference.
OK, not my field of expertise, to say the least. But there’s a broader point this story brings to mind.
Opponents of a strong policy to curb greenhouse gases tend to be fervent believers in the magic of market economies. Yet somehow their faith goes away when it comes to environmental issues. If you seriously believe in markets, you should believe that given the right incentives — namely, putting a price on emissions, through either a tax or a tradable permit scheme — the economy will find lots of ways to emit less. You should definitely not believe, as anti-environmentalists claim, that the result would be economic disaster.
And what should be the grounds for optimism? Well, if you look at the history of fossil fuel use, you see that it’s one of continuous innovation and improvement. Early steam engines were extremely inefficient; but over the years, less through scientific breakthroughs than through experience and practical innovation, they became vastly better. The same is true of airplanes and much more.
The point is that renewable energy like wind and solar has not gone through a comparable process of improvement — yet — because the incentives haven’t been there. But once we get to the point where a carbon price makes these commercially viable, there’s every reason to expect huge improvement over time through, yes, the magic of the marketplace.
Pessimism about our ability to have a very low-emission economy, then, flies in the face of history. Of course, we won’t start down that road until we have semi-rational politicians …
0bama and his administration, and especially his EPA, are destroying jobs and running up the costs of day to day living in America. 0bama places more importance on pushing forward with his ideological agenda, then he does on the economy, jobs and the people.
Our economy is in a depression. When 0bama was sworn in as our president, he said it was "The worst economy since the Great Depression", and since he was sworn in, our economy has only gotten worse, so we can only be in a depression era economy, and it may even get worse.
Our country needs cheap, reliable and dependable sources of energy, in order to thrive, and all 0bama and his administration have done is decrease energy production and increase its cost to the people.
The 0bama EPA is on an all out attack on energy production and distribution. The EPA just created new regulations that will kill jobs and drive up our electricity costs.
Thursday the EPA announced that they have finalized additional Clean Air Act provisions, collectively known as “The Cross-State Air Pollution Rule” to ostensibly “reduce air pollution and attain clean air standards,” by requiring coal companies in 27 states to slash emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide by 73 percent and 54 percent, respectively, from 2005 levels by 2014. EPA Regulations | Coal Industry | Job Loss | The Daily Caller
0bama and the EPA are also going to destroy the car industry with ideologically driven, and arbitrary regulations:
Having invested heavily in luxury automakers Tesla and Fisker, the Obama administration is now putting the screws to their gas-engine competitors, Porsche, BMW, et al.
In their regulatory plot to make the gas engine go the way of the incandescent light bulb, Obama’s EPA is not just mandating 56 mpg by 2025 — effectively creating a standard only hybrid electrics can meet — but putting in place harsh fines for companies that make engines they don’t like.
“Future U.S. government fuel economy regulations could saddle auto makers with steep fines or even bar the sale of certain models,” reports the Wall Street Journal’s Sharon Terlep. “Violations of proposed government standards could cost auto makers up to $25,000 a vehicle beginning in 2016, up from current levels of $5 to hundreds of dollars per vehicle.”
During a depression era economy, why the hell is our government saddling the country with these new costly regulations??? I don't think 0bama and his admin give a rats rear end if our economy ever recovers, as long as he can punish his enemies and force his agenda on the nation.
They do it because thanks to "Al Gore's" brain child, he's convinced the sheeple about " global warming" and the sheeple aren't smart enough to figure out that their personal use of energy did not cause global warming but rather it is a natural phase we are going through (and might even be being helped along by HAARP and GWEN). They also haven't figured out that complying with all these increasing regulations will put them in the poor house and make them miserable.
Don't forget Al Gore was one of the star salesman on NAFTA during the Clinton administration which DESTROYED manufacturing and caused the beginning of the marked rise in unemployment rates.
Secondly it is an ingenious way to STEAL from the middle class and keep them down by having these green initiatives go through and become law and simply pass on the costs to the consumers.
Of course what we will ALSO see is that we will be paying more and more for less and less energy as the utilities cut back. Sheeple ought not kid themselves that jobs will be created.. They will probably become fewer and farther between.
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