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Old 07-25-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It does, in fact. The top 1% has a LOWER wealth share since 2001 than they had in 1995.
Can I see your numbers on wealth distribution since 2001? Is it higher for the top 1% now than it was in 2001?
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:56 AM
 
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If you make 1million, you pay $100,000 in taxes.

If you make $100,000, you pay $10,000 in taxes.

If you make $10,000, you pay $1,000 in taxes.

Just wanted to make sure progressives know I'm right there with them

I disagree slightly with the subject heading. I believe the rich should pay their FAIR share of taxes.
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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Since when is 400 the top 1%?
it's not. I didn't say it was.

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And you aren't really trying to claim that the top 400 only have incomes of around $250k are you?
Nope.

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If not, when have Obama and the Dems proposed raising taxes on only the top 400?
Not sure.

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The Effective Federal Tax Rate for those in the top 1% for 2011 is projected by the CBO to be 33.8%
Effective Federal Tax Rates Under Current Law, 2001 to 2014
That is a projection, prepared in 2004, that assumes capital gains rates will be allowed to rise. Congress already changed that law, so that analysis doesn't apply.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand... whether the rich should pay higher taxes or not. You do realize that 18% is a lower rate than what the median income person pays?
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Can I see your numbers on wealth distribution since 2001?
You already have them. The top 1% has a LOWER wealth share since 2001 than they had in 1995.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I disagree slightly with the subject heading. I believe the rich should pay their FAIR share of taxes.
As do I. Flat tax. Everyone pays their FAIR share.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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it's not. I didn't say it was.
Obama and the Dems do say so. When they say they want to tax "the rich," they are NOT talking about only the top 400, so whatever point you're trying to make about the top 400 is irrelevant in terms of what Obama and the Dems are pushing for. In fact, Obama and the Dems are aiming on hitting those who are trying to move UP from the middle class. Those people would fall squarely within the $250k income baseline. Obama and the Dems want to slow and kill upward social mobility.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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Obama and the Dems do say so.
I'm asking you, I'm not asking Obama and the dems.

You do realize that 18% is a lower rate than what the median income person pays?
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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I'm asking you, I'm not asking Obama and the dems.
Okay... Flat tax. Everyone pays their FAIR share.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Assuming you mean more in income tax and not all other taxes:

Everybody pays the same X percent of their income - no deductions/credits.

Besides eliminating the need for individual to get tax preparation help or lawyers to represent individuals in court, less IRS personnel will be needed to process the returns, less money will be spent printing forms and instructions, less customer service representatives will be needed to answer questions, and you can probably eliminate all of the tax office audit and correspondence audit jobs.

The tax return is 5 lines (the instructions will fit on the back of the form):

Line 1: Your income:
Line 2: X percent of line 1 (with X to be determined by Congress)
Line 3: Withholding
Line 4: If Line 3 is bigger than Line 1 you get a refund
Line 5: If Line 2 is bigger than Line 3, subtract them and enter amount here.

If you have an amount on Line 5, send your check for the amount on Line 5 to the IRS.

But you know why it will never happen? It's the same reason why politicians lie about tax simplification. Take a look at who is the Top money donor to Barack Obama (I just picked him because it's easier than looking up everybody in Congress):

Top Industries, Barack Obama | OpenSecrets

Tax reform and tax simplification mean less income for lawyers (and accountants). You might want to also consider where Congressmen (who are lawyers) might go after they are out of Congress and looking for a job.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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Okay... Flat tax. Everyone pays their FAIR share.
Is that flat across all income sources, or does it give special preference to income acquired through capital gains and dividends?

Some people consider income gained from capital gains and dividends to be "double taxation", but I do not.
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