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Old 07-25-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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How so?
Inherited wealth is down.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If you make 1million, you pay $100,000 in taxes.

If you make $100,000, you pay $10,000 in taxes.

If you make $10,000, you pay $1,000 in taxes.

Just wanted to make sure progressives know I'm right there with them
You do realize that that wouldn't cover current expenses, right? The low-end generates very little revenue. The very rich pay about 16%. The middle pays ~25%.

What you are proposing, is essentially, cutting taxes in half (except for the poor, who get an increase) while bringing in half current revenue.

Don't be deluded into thinking this is a viable plan.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Yep... the US Congress Joint Committee on Taxation says it's 51%.

51% pay NO federal income tax.

http://finance.senate.gov/newsroom/r...1-ffc00b5c00ef
Actually, he's finally right.

Politifacts has a good article on this.

But the reality is that adding taxes to this group brings in very little additional revenue, while squeezing people who already live hand to mouth.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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Actually, he's finally right.
Hmmm... seems you need to go back and reread my posts. I don't post false information.

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But the reality is that adding taxes to this group brings in very little additional revenue, while squeezing people who already live hand to mouth.
The reality is that the top 1% DO NOT earn the majority of the income. If you want to increase revenue, you MUST expand the tax base.

Take it from California, and other states...
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...the root of California's woes is its reliance on taxing the wealthy.

Nearly half of California's income taxes before the recession came from the top 1% of earners: households that took in more than $490,000 a year. High earners, it turns out, have especially volatile incomes—their earnings fell by more than twice as much as the rest of the population's during the recession. When they crashed, they took California's finances down with them.

Mr. Williams, a former economic forecaster for the state, spent more than a decade warning state leaders about California's over-dependence on the rich. "We created a revenue cliff," he said. "We built a large part of our government on the state's most unstable income group."

...Between 2007 and 2008, the incomes of the top-earning 1% fell 16%, compared to a decline of 4% for U.S. earners as a whole, according to the IRS.
The Price of Taxing the Rich - WSJ.com

Over-reliance on taxing the rich has proven to be a FLAWED model.

The answer is a flat tax. It would go a long way towards eliminating the revenue volatility problem.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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If you make 1million, you pay $100,000 in taxes.

If you make $100,000, you pay $10,000 in taxes.

If you make $10,000, you pay $1,000 in taxes.

Just wanted to make sure progressives know I'm right there with them
I think there should be a wealth tax on any rich person who complains about not being taxed enough. For example, Obama, Oprah, Warren Buffet, Russell Crowe have all complained about this and should be paying at least 50%. If they want to redistribute wealth it is time they practice what they preach.

Second, I do support closing tax loopholes. There is one where the rich can keep their money overseas to avoid taxation all together. It is no wonder they are moving companies and American jobs to China. The veterans in Afganistan, Iraq, and Libya make money overseas and don't have the pleasure of avoiding taxes. They receive combat pay. If the veterans have to pay on money they make from fighting overseas, then the rich should have to pay on the money they keep overseas.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Inherited wealth is down.
what does this have to do with the price of tea in china?
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:07 AM
 
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what does this have to do with the price of tea in china?
When wealth inheritance is down, less in assets is held and bequeathed by the wealthy. Assets are saved for retirement needs by the working class, which is a HUGE segment of the population, as previously noted.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Inherited wealth is down.
Can you provide numbers, say for 2001 and 2007 (or later)?
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Can you provide numbers, say for 2001 and 2007 (or later)?
You'd have to check with Wolff at NYU.

This is what is known, so far...
The Decline of Inherited Money - The Wealth Report - WSJ
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Can you provide numbers, say for 2001 and 2007 (or later)?
it's definitely a dubious claim, probably for FY2008 or something.

but i wasn't going to debate it, because it's also irrelevant. even if it were true it would have no bearing his argument.... which, if it's been lost in all the BS, was that American workers -- the bottom 90% -- own a "HUGE" portion of american wealth.
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