Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
32,816 posts, read 19,500,230 times
Reputation: 9618

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by mateo45 View Post
Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere.

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and useful instrument in the interest of the nation.

The definition of fascism is the marriage of corporation and state.


― Benito Mussolini, "The Corporate State and its Organization"
and when 'the deuce' was talking about liberals..what was he talking about...1920's EUROPEAN liberals...which would be the likes of reagan

today's AMERICAN liberals are the fascists of origin


are the same as the progressives of the 1880's or the fascists of the 1930's..ie todays liberals

the 'freetrade ' agreements are liberal..maybe neo-liberal if you want, but certainly progressive (globalist) and socialist (or the more REGULATING fascist) (the difference between socialism is one has state(givernment) ownership, while the other has corporate ownership superregulated by the government

BRZEZINSKI (TLC, CFR, bilderberg)----advisor to crater, bush1(neo-con), clinton, bush2(actually through cheney) and now obama.....all progressive globalists......


"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them." lennin

....Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, clinton and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""



As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.

Its not hard to understand; The progressives (aka todays liberals which took over the democratic party) have been in bed with the elite since the late 1880's................these are the same people that created the fed, the same people that passed the income tax amendment in 1913, the same people that supported the european socialists and the nasi's, and the fascists

progressives have helped in some areas (child labor laws, etc) but their sole intent is to 'socialize' the united states, to either "nationalize" the entire country and its corporations (main stream socialist way), or to so over regulate the corporations (the fascist way)

progressives (aka liberals) were the ones who supported hitler, progressives are owned by the european banks

Up until ww2, fascist and progressives were the same thing....But they dropped the term fascist due to public outcry and stuck with the term progressive ever since. Aside from being a complete nut of a dictator, Hitler had extremely liberal political policies and highly regulatory government agencies. He even had unviersal health care.

H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.

Wells called his political views socialist. He was for a time a member of the socialist Fabian Society. The Fabian Society is a British socialist movement, whose purpose is to advance the principles of Democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means................ Wells believed in the theory of eugenics. In 1904 he discussed a survey paper by Francis Galton, co-founder of eugenics, saying "I believe ... It is in the sterilisation of failure, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies."

George Bernard Shaw a dedicated Socialist and a charter member of the Fabian Society. After visiting the USSR in the 1930s where he met Stalin, Shaw became a supporter of the Stalinist USSR. On 11 October 1931 he broadcast a lecture on American national radio telling his audience that any 'skilled workman...of suitable age and good character' would be welcomed and given work in the Soviet Union. Shaw was a proponent of the theory of "eugenics" that believed in the improvement of the human race through selective reproduction. Advocates of this theory feared society was at risk due to a declining gene pool because inferior people were breeding much more rapidly than the better ones. They advocated for public policies that would prevent this. Shaw claimed only eugenics could save mankind. Shaw even suggested people should have to regularly appear before a board to justify their existence

In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, "Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism."

hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........

simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG....THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS

lenin also said this...."A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the people"

"Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno

"This year will go down in history. For the first time,
a civilised nation has full gun registration!
Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler


"National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order." ...hitler

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." bill clinton

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski




the history is there, just because you dont like that people like mussilini and hitler tarnished the name of progressives, with Eugenics, population control, economic fascism, etc.... doesnt mean it didnt happen....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:39 AM
 
6,137 posts, read 4,863,777 times
Reputation: 1517
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
and when 'the deuce' was talking about liberals..what was he talking about...1920's EUROPEAN liberals...which would be the likes of reagan

todya's AMERICAN liberals are the fascists of origin
Exactly. I think he said that in the 30s. When liberalism was the polar opposite of what it is today.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
41,479 posts, read 59,811,485 times
Reputation: 24863
Nothing like changing definitions when you are losing the argument.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:45 AM
 
6,137 posts, read 4,863,777 times
Reputation: 1517
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW View Post
Nothing like changing definitions when you are losing the argument.
Uh yeah, that's pretty much what was done when quoting Mussolini. Using an alternate definition to prove a point.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
5,864 posts, read 4,982,324 times
Reputation: 4207
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeledaf View Post
Ah, but I voted Republican in the last election. To the left-wing pinheads on this Forum, that makes me stupid.

Funny how few of them care to press the point with me. I'm guessing they don't know whom to ask for permission.

Or they're afraid of getting into the stupid vs. evil debate....

Origin of “Stupid Party” & “Evil Party” | RedState
Well to me it boils down to specific reasons one votes for a candidate. If someone supports Rick Perry because they may like his fiscal plans and his job ideas then hey that's fine. But when people support Palin, Bachmann, or Rick Perry because they want to have a beer and watch the NASCAR race with them, well that's when things change.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
32,816 posts, read 19,500,230 times
Reputation: 9618
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW View Post
Nothing like changing definitions when you are losing the argument.
what do you think you are doing???

european 'liberals' of the 1920's and 30's are the republicans of today

look at fascism...look at it...it is EXACTLY what the AMERICAL LIBERALS of today are



There is practically no feature of modern-day Leftism that was not prefigured by Mussolini. It is clear from the many quotations and reports that are available that Mussolini was very much a kindred spirit of modern-day Leftists. It is therefore hilarious that Leftists now use the name of his movement as their routine term of abuse! Ignorance of history does indeed lead to some strange follies.

He started out as such a radical unionist firebrand and Marxist agitator that he was often jailed for his pains. But as he matured he moved towards somewhat more moderate politics which saw him win power by political rather than by revolutionary means. Modern day Leftists seem to be the same. The young go out demonstrating against globalization and the like while older Leftists exert their efforts within the framework of conventional democratic politics -- via the major Leftist political parties.

And no-one was a more ardent advocate of government provision of basic services than Mussolini was -- and he actually put those ideas into practice on a large scale as well. And he also instituted a "welfare state" that was very advanced for the times.

In his "corporate state", Mussolini was the first to create that very modern phenomenon constantly now being advocated by Leftists everywhere -- a system of capitalism under tight government control. And his corporate state was one where the workers had (at least in theory) equal rights with management. He actually put into full-blown practice what is still a great but rather misty ideal for most Leftists.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
5,800 posts, read 6,571,299 times
Reputation: 3151
Ms. Dowd shouldn't stop taking her Alzheimers meds; she keeps forgetting how the Democrats, led by Slick Willie, mandated that unqualified people be allowed to buy houses in the name of fairness and social justice.

How'd that turn out for everybody?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 09:00 AM
 
6,484 posts, read 6,619,669 times
Reputation: 1275
Quote:
Originally Posted by mackinac81 View Post
I was just reading Maureen Dowd's latest column, and I think she hit the nail square on the head when it comes to the anti-intellectualism of modern conservatism--something that worries me more than other GOP problems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/op...ef=maureendowd


Read on, and enjoy.

Mackinac
I read stuff like this and it makes me shake my head. As I was getting ready for work this morning, the news station on tv had a little 5 minute blurb about Hollywood's opinion of Obama. They interviewed several celebrities at the Emmys? last night or whenever it was the last few days. Each one they showed said something to the effect of "he's a good guy"....or "he's a nice guy...he's trying".

Really? You guys call us stupid but you are willing to listen to a bunch of famous idiots telling us he's a nice guy so we should vote for him?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
11,446 posts, read 16,193,000 times
Reputation: 6963
We don't need no political parties. We need the cave man mentality!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-19-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
8,852 posts, read 10,462,476 times
Reputation: 6670
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
and when 'the deuce' was talking about liberals..what was he talking about...1920's EUROPEAN liberals...which would be the likes of reagan.
So now even Saint Raygun was a (gasp) "liberal" too?!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:50 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top