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I think we should leave it up to the professionals and not everyone's opinion of doctors, parents, gays, straights...
You can not just roll up to a clinic and get a sex change in this country.. the process involves LOTS of therapy and psychological evaluations. GID is real...and it doesn't always exist in the preconcieved contexts of your male/female straight/gay mindframe.
what makes us male and female is not just phsyical but also mental...
It goes beyond little sally being a tomboy or billy being a little girly boy..
I know very masculine acting and looking men that have gone through this process and are now women 6'4 women..lol.. but in all reality.. it's not black and white.. everyone is trying to make it so to assert that they know what they're talking about and trying to make a complex issue simple so an opinion on it all can be made in their mind. it's ridiculous to judge gays, these parents, or anyone because you don't understand a valid real condition that affects MANY more people than you realize. it's funny how everyone is a damn moral compass or expert on the matter...and quick to cast judgement on a whole group of people.. GID is a very terrible thing for someone to go through and the LAST thing it needs is pointing fingers and judgemental ignorant mouths with no idea what they're talking about. GID is approached on a case by case basis.. so again.. lets leave it up to professionals and loving parents who are atleast open minded enough to address the issue if it does in fact exist
I read your post, but 1) who has been judgemental, ignorant? 2) does this apply to an eight or eleven year old boy? 3) are the parents always being loving if they allow this to happen? I hate to say that, but what if cases like this are simply just parents being irresponsible because of their own personal ideologies and they DID impose them on their adopted kids?
How do you know that the people posting here are not professionals?
It is interesting that the people who seem to defend the parents in this situation tell everyone else what to do and that they shouldn't be judgemental, but those same people are accusing others of pointing fingers and making the claim that every parent that does this is being loving. How can you make generalizations but others can't? It's like some of you just want everyone else to throw away their opinions, hyphotheses on the psychological aspects of this, but you all can keep yours.
We'll see if they are a mental mess as an adult. If so maybe these two mommy models pushing hormones on the whim of a baby should be a lesson on what not to do in the future. We will see.
I read your post, but 1) who has been judgemental, ignorant? 2) does this apply to an eight or eleven year old boy? 3) are the parents always being loving if they allow this to happen? I hate to say that, but what if cases like this are simply just parents being irresponsible because of their own personal ideologies and they DID impose them on their adopted kids?
How do you know that the people posting here are not professionals?
It is interesting that the people who seem to defend the parents in this situation tell everyone else what to do and that they shouldn't be judgemental, but those same people are accusing others of pointing fingers and making the claim that every parent that does this is being loving. How can you make generalizations but others can't? It's like some of you just want everyone else to throw away their opinions, hyphotheses on the psychological aspects of this, but you all can keep yours.
It doesn't work like that.
that is why I said.. "address it IF IT EVEN EXISTS"
none of us know for sure but the professionals actually working with the boy.. all of us are just speculating.. which is why it's important to understand that GID is a case by case basis..
Many are jumping to conclusions that because this boy has adopted gay parents that it's the "cause" of it all.. or that they aren't being objective because they are gay.. none of us know that for sure.. and we must be open to the option that MAYBE just maybe the fact that his parents are gay and open to this disorder that he is getting the correct treatment for this condition. I'm open to the child being too young to know.. I understand such concerns.. but are you open to the fact that maybe you're wrong? that's the important thing to consider
that is why I said.. "address it IF IT EVEN EXISTS"
none of us know for sure but the professionals actually working with the boy.. all of us are just speculating.. which is why it's important to understand that GID is a case by case basis..
Many are jumping to conclusions that because this boy has adopted gay parents that it's the "cause" of it all.. or that they aren't being objective because they are gay.. none of us know that for sure.. and we must be open to the option that MAYBE just maybe the fact that his parents are gay and open to this disorder that he is getting the correct treatment for this condition. I'm open to the child being too young to know.. I understand such concerns.. but are you open to the fact that maybe you're wrong? that's the important thing to consider
that is why I said.. "address it IF IT EVEN EXISTS"
none of us know for sure but the professionals actually working with the boy.. all of us are just speculating.. which is why it's important to understand that GID is a case by case basis..
Many are jumping to conclusions that because this boy has adopted gay parents that it's the "cause" of it all.. or that they aren't being objective because they are gay.. none of us know that for sure.. and we must be open to the option that MAYBE just maybe the fact that his parents are gay and open to this disorder that he is getting the correct treatment for this condition. I'm open to the child being too young to know.. I understand such concerns.. but are you open to the fact that maybe you're wrong? that's the important thing to consider
I can't speak for other people, but I simply asked if that could be a possibility, that his adoptive parents being in their situation could have influenced his gender curiosity. That is why I don't understand why some of you keep acting like we are saying that that IS what happened. None of us can say that, but it doesn't mean we don't wonder or suspect. I do think in this situation it is not unintelligent or wrong to wonder if situations like these lead to the confusion for a child.
Also, if you (and others who feel the same) "understand such concerns" then what is the problem? If you understand the concerns then why the "debate?"
Uh, buddy, girl, person, whatever, I'm always open to the fact that I am wrong. I have said that from the beginning in this thread. That is the difference between people like me on this message board and others: we can accept if we are wrong.
Question it all you want, just don't try to legislate your opinions on the matter. I mean, I'm not a fan of raising kids in uber religious homes, and think it can be severely detrimental to their mental/emotional & social development... but I'd never support a law AGAINST highly religious folks raising kids, and will also teach my children to respect them regardless. Everyone has a different way of raising their children, and provided they aren't being abused or neglected, we should all be free to do as we choose.
And no, I don't think it's appropriate for an 8 year-old to be receiving hormonal therapy, unless it's medically necessary... but that's hardly a statement against gay parenting in general, since this is FAR from the norm even for them. Why else did this make national news? I live in the Bay Area, and have never heard of such a thing happening before - and as stated above, I've known many gay parents in my life.
Yes, and those opinions show a complete lack of tolerance, compassion, acceptance, respect, and often a lack of simple logic... I've been on these boards for over 5 years, including a few years as a moderator, so I'm fully aware of the opinions they sling on certain topics.
Btw, I said SOME people on this board, so obviously I'm talking about those who are vehemently anti-gay... and if you don't realize such people exist, I think you need to read these threads more carefully.
Gizmo, the child is 11 not 8. According to this and other articles I've read on this story, the parents started letting their child dress and identify as a girl from about age 8 on the recommendation of specialists who diagnosed the child with GID. The hormone treatment to block puberty is also on the recommendation of specialists until the child is old enough to make his/her own decision.
They also have 2 older sons (and grandchildren) who do not have GID.
so because the boy is only 11...it's a closed case in your opinion?
I mean.. that's fine if it is.. but it seems very closed minded and an opinion of someone that is not familiar with GID...which in turn makes one question the validity and importance of your opinion on the matter
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