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That was one of my points: I've seen people treat kids like pets, literally. I know some people that I have seen do this and I wondered if that is what happened here. The people I have seen do such are not in the same situation (gender topic), but they mold their children with political or social ideas (race, social ideologies, Earth matters). Sometimes they have intellectual conversations with their children and the children are like eight years old or something.
That's why I wondered if that may have happened here. What happens when the kid asked them about their relationship? Is it possible that they explained it in a way that got the boy thinking about his own sexuality or identity? That's my point. How can we act like that is not a possibility. Is it preventable? No. We can't tell same-sex couples what to talk about with their children, but I think it is not natural when these things do happen. It is manipulative.
Hello? The child started communicating to his mothers that he was a girl when he was THREE.
The child has 2 older brothers who are regular masculine boys.
Thus should fall under the guidelines of elective plastic surgery. It should not be done until physical maturity.
Another person who hasn't read the article before posting their opinion.
There is no mention of surgery.
They are delaying puberty until the child is old enough the make his own decisions. On the recommendation of specialists who diagnosed the child with Gender Identity Disorder.
I wonder what the odds are of a gay/lesbian couple having a transgender child when the child's sex is the same as the parents, versus the opposite of the parents.
I would guess it's pretty rare. Although I don't know that for a fact.
I'm as familiar with GID as with RLS. Both are equally valid. Since both are quite simply made up and with absolutely zero physiological evidence of their existence, and aura reading isn't considered a valid science, my level of expertise is exactly equal to anyone else's on the whole planet.
Try not to confuse open minded with empty headed. Try not to buy into the psychobabble. From the way you write I can tell you're not an idiot but you may be gullible.
Good night boiseguy.
GID is made up???
I don't even know how to respond to u now...
if being empty headed means NOT agreeing with your point of view.. then you're not here for a discussion you're here to "enlighten" us all with your expertise.. to elude to someone being gullible for being open minded means you are approaching the issue with a deep suspicion.. I'm just curious as to where that suspicion is coming from and how it is warranted? I don't understand how someone can say they are as all knowing as ANYONE on earth on the topic and then paint every other differing opinion or point of view or ANYTHING contrary to your final "goodnight and case closed" statements as being duped or tricked.. it doesn't make sense
nevertheless...
Another person who hasn't read the article before posting their opinion.
There is no mention of surgery.
They are delaying puberty until the child is old enough the make his own decisions. On the recommendation of specialists who diagnosed the child with Gender Identity Disorder.
Reading comprehension problem? I didn't say it was plastic surgery. I said it should fall under the guidelines of plastic surgery. By using medication to hold off puberty, you are altering the physical and mental development of the child. That should not be done without a valid medical need.
I read your post, but 1) who has been judgemental, ignorant? 2) does this apply to an eight or eleven year old boy? 3) are the parents always being loving if they allow this to happen? I hate to say that, but what if cases like this are simply just parents being irresponsible because of their own personal ideologies and they DID impose them on their adopted kids?
How do you know that the people posting here are not professionals?
It is interesting that the people who seem to defend the parents in this situation tell everyone else what to do and that they shouldn't be judgemental, but those same people are accusing others of pointing fingers and making the claim that every parent that does this is being loving. How can you make generalizations but others can't? It's like some of you just want everyone else to throw away their opinions, hyphotheses on the psychological aspects of this, but you all can keep yours.
It doesn't work like that.
And what do you think are the 'ideologies" that these 2 mothers are supposedly "imposing" on their adopted children? If you had read the article you would have noticed they have 3 boys. THREE. And grandchildren as well.
Do you seriously think that they wanted their little boy to grow up as a girl just because they are lesbians?
Science and research say that every living organism on this Planet has evolved to perform one and only one function: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.
There are two genders for a reason: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.
The mere fact that humans are thinking animals does not alter the fact that humans, like every living organism on this Planet, evolved to perform one and only one function: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.
That fact that a heterosexual couple for whatever reason chooses not to procreate, still does not alter the fact that every living organism on this Planet, including humans, has evolved for one purpose only: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.
Homosexuality is completely anathema to the existence of humans. I would even say it is anti-human.
Obviously some of are you are confused and under the misguided belief that you primary purpose on Earth is to do the nasty with anything that moves or barks or bleats and even that which does not move.
You are sadly mistaken.
Again, my opinion, which is an objective fact-based conclusion, as opposed to a subjective whimsical belief not based on any facts is supported by science and research, as well as my own unbiased observations.
Some the Garbage/Bacon/Lettuce/Tomato crowd seem to think it is a choice.
That would be the wrong conclusion. There is evidence that social environment affects sexual orientation.
The statements there are actually contradictory. It would appear they have skewed their conclusions. What they are presenting is evidence of trans-sexuality (and medical science was already clear on that) which is not the same thing homosexuality or media fueled gender discombobulation.
As I said earlier, at one time homosexuality was in the DSM. How do you get it out of the DSM? Simple. You stack the board with homosexuals and those who are sympathetic to homosexuals and then they vote to remove it from the DSM.
That's how it actually happened.
I have no idea what the cause or causal factors might be, however I do believe that in this climate you will never find dispassionate or unbiased research because of the specter of political correctness.
Personally I'd like to get to the bottom of it just to satisfy my own personal curiosity, and to that end there needs to be continued research on fetal development as well as in-depth psychological profiling and historical data gathering.
You're conflating trans-sexualtiy with gender identity, homosexuality and bi-sexuality (and there is no possible way your study extract could even remotely support bi-sexuality), and those are not the same things.
No odds at all, since evolution no doubt saw fit to ensure that homosexuals cannot reproduce.
There are so many flaws in this post that I wouldn't know where to start.
But these statements are particularly hilarious:
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"I am basing my opinion on science and research."
"Again, my opinion, which is an objective fact-based conclusion, as opposed to a subjective whimsical belief not based on any facts is supported by science and research, as well as my own unbiased observations."
RRWNJs = Religious Right-Wing Nut Jobs (which, for the record, is distinct from your average Republican/conservative)
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Someone said what you said before, but isn't that because there are more straight-parent households? I'm just saying, that seems to be the logical approach to that statistic. I'm not saying that if there were more same-sex homes that they would produce more cases of abuse, but I wanted to comment on your stat.
Of course that skews the results, but you'd be hard-pressed to find any foster kids from gay-parented homes... I haven't done enough research to provide stats, just saying it seems to be an extremely rare situation. I personally believe that's due to HOW they have their children, since again they usually rely on adoption or IVF/surrogacy - so it's unlikely you'd come across a gay couple with an "oops" baby, and I bet gay teen parents are few & far between.
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Also, you keep talking about laws and legislation, did we mention that here?
It's discussed in every gay-related thread, and honestly I don't "keep talking about it" - as I only really mentioned it once, in response to a comment you made earlier. Any mention of laws since has merely been expanding on that, since you keep asking why it matters, etc. You follow?
But if you're still not getting the connection, on the first page of this thread, somebody said "and people wonder why gays shouldn't be raising children." So again, this one isolated incident is NOT proof that gay people can't effectively raise a child, hence there is no reason to bar (or condemn) them from doing so. That's all I was trying to say!
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Plus, I see tons of advocates for stopping child abuse in all homes, including heterosexual coupled ones. So, how can you say that?
Lobbying against abuse is different from lobbying against gay adoption/child-rearing... one is discrimination without good cause, the other is protecting children in bad situations (from all types of family structures). Hopefully nobody is "tolerant" of abusers, regardless of their sexual orientation!
I see a lawsuit on those parents and all the doctors in the kid's future.
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