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Old 10-06-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Some on here are saying EVERY PRO-LIFE PERSON. Sorry, I am just following suit and I shouldn't.
Thank you.

I don't think anyone is stupid for holding firm to his or her convictions.
I take offense at the dirty tricks and the propaganda that causes people, particularly women, to forget that we need to work together to reduce the need for abortion services.
Creating villians only causes people to dig in deeper into their respective trenches and does nothing to address the larger issues.
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Old 10-06-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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I am saying no such thing and no pro-life person is saying she is "stupid, irresponsible or immoral". Pro-life people are saying women are being exploited and taken advantage of by the big business of abortion which is a huge money maker.
the majority of women are NOT being exploited. women know what abortion is, the get abortions because they want one. sure I will agree a small percentage may be talked into it by a parent or reluctant boyfriend, but for the most part women are smart enough to weigh the choices and make the one that suits her life. to think she isn't smart enough, to want to limit her choice IS treating her like she is too stupid and or immoral and irresponsible.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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the majority of women are NOT being exploited. women know what abortion is, the get abortions because they want one. sure I will agree a small percentage may be talked into it by a parent or reluctant boyfriend, but for the most part women are smart enough to weigh the choices and make the one that suits her life. to think she isn't smart enough, to want to limit her choice IS treating her like she is too stupid and or immoral and irresponsible.
You would think so wouldn't you but investigations proves differently.

Abortion is the Unchoice

Why is abortion The UnChoice?
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:13 AM
 
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You would think so wouldn't you but investigations proves differently.

Abortion is the Unchoice

Why is abortion The UnChoice?

more propaganda from the religious zealots, this time using a KNOWN pro-life doctor, who further abuses women after they have an abortion.

You really need to stop using discredit sources for support of your claims.

David Reardon (who runs the Elliot Institute, who runs theunchoice.com) is a proflic pro-life propagandist, who offers "after abortion" treament to women

In essence, his "business" is to tell women, after they get an abortion that they did the wrong and "bullies" the women, who are already on an emotional roller coaster to "turn" them further abusing them

His reports have been criticized by every major mental health organization as being nothing more than unsupported clap trap.



Why do you persist on thinking that we don't know any of the BS already? The "experts" you use are nothing more than con artists and religious zealots who wish to take away women's rights.
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Old 10-07-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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I don't get EWTN on my TV. Did anyone see this?


EWTN- Wings

EWTN Presents 'Bloodmoney: The Business of Abortion'
Plus, EWTN Adds New Papal Event
By Michelle Laque Johnson


With 3,500 abortions a day, it’s a holocaust greater than any other war in the history of mankind.

It’s an unprecedented attack on young women with a goal of three to five abortions for every girl aged 13 to 18.

It’s a money machine distributing defective condoms and ineffective birth control to fuel a multi-billion dollar industry that thrives on the destruction of unborn babies and the traumatizing of young pregnant women.

Get the facts about the abortion industry when EWTN airs, “Bloodmoney: The Business of Abortion,” at 5 a.m. ET and 9 p.m. ET, Sunday, Oct. 2 – exclusively on EWTN. Then buy the film from EWTN Religious Catalouge at http://bit.ly/nvhIpm and get the word out to friends, family and, especially, young women who may be contemplating abortion.

Dr. Alveda King narrates this documentary look into the dark origins of abortion. Learn how a movement based on racism and population control usurped the momentum of the women’s rights movement to create something truly despicable.
Bahahaha, the tin foil hat a little tight today? The origins of abortion were women going into back alleys with coat hangers. Perhaps if you found a less biased source of information, you do a lot better in life.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:21 AM
 
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Watch the documentary I posted. You say you want to know but you won't look at it.

I believe women, teens and all females are being exploited. I am not saying they are stupid though. Those are your words.
You ARE saying that they are stupid. When someone is being exploited, they aren't being exploited because they are smart. And how, exactly, are they being exploited? They aren't being kidnapped off the streets, impregnated and then forced to have abortions. They make the choice. That seems to be a problem for you, women making their own choices.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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I am saying no such thing and no pro-life person is saying she is "stupid, irresponsible or immoral". Pro-life people are saying women are being exploited and taken advantage of by the big business of abortion which is a huge money maker.
Hmmmm.....I guess we could say the same thing about people who exploit and take advantage of women by talking them into having the child and giving it up for adoption.

The people who run adoption services, the attorneys involved, the social workers involved.....all get PAID to do so.

So.....women are being taken advantage of by the big business of adoption which is a huge money maker. In fact, everyone involved gets a "payday" except the mother who took all of the risks and did all of the work of incubating the desired product.

Let's not forget all of the pro-lifers that are always bemoaning the fact that prospective parents have to go overseas to adopt a child because there isn't a big enough selection available here in this country.

By all means.....we should force women to have children they don't want because it is BIG BUSINESS.....BIG MONEY!

It's OK to take advantage of women.....as long as it fits into the pro-life agenda.

This is the real reason that pro-lifers want women that request an abortion to be forced into "counseling". They want to brow beat and guilt the woman into providing a product for the big business of adoption.

See how that works?

Pro-lifers want to use women to breed product against their will......now THAT is disgusting.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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Hmmmm.....I guess we could say the same thing about people who exploit and take advantage of women by talking them into having the child and giving it up for adoption.

The people who run adoption services, the attorneys involved, the social workers involved.....all get PAID to do so.

So.....women are being taken advantage of by the big business of adoption which is a huge money maker. In fact, everyone involved gets a "payday" except the mother who took all of the risks and did all of the work of incubating the desired product.

Let's not forget all of the pro-lifers that are always bemoaning the fact that prospective parents have to go overseas to adopt a child because there isn't a big enough selection available here in this country.

By all means.....we should force women to have children they don't want because it is BIG BUSINESS.....BIG MONEY!

It's OK to take advantage of women.....as long as it fits into the pro-life agenda.

This is the real reason that pro-lifers want women that request an abortion to be forced into "counseling". They want to brow beat and guilt the woman into providing a product for the big business of adoption.

See how that works?

Pro-lifers want to use women to breed product against their will......now THAT is disgusting.
Worse than that, it's poor women that are targeted. Women of means can always obtain abortions. They always have, and they always will. But the waiting periods, the extra counseling, the extra procedures, and just the plain removal of access, have a disproportionate impact on the very women who have the biggest reason to be concerned about the impact an unwanted pregnancy will have on their lives, on the lives of their families, on the lives of the children they already have.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Worse than that, it's poor women that are targeted. Women of means can always obtain abortions. They always have, and they always will. But the waiting periods, the extra counseling, the extra procedures, and just the plain removal of access, have a disproportionate impact on the very women who have the biggest reason to be concerned about the impact an unwanted pregnancy will have on their lives, on the lives of their families, on the lives of the children they already have.
So, so true.
I saw a report recently about how Texas has shifted funding from local clinics that provide contraceptive and other services to these 'crisis pregnancy' places and was absolutely mortified. One of the states with the highest repeat teen pregnancy rates in the country and they have done this:


As Texas cuts family-planning funding, more goes to crisis-pregnancy services | The Washington Independent


Of course one of the great ironies is that these places refer huge numbers of people to state-provided services - Medicaid, food stamps, etc. to encourage them to take their pregnancies to term.
Who is it really that is perpetuating the 'dependence' cycle?
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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more propaganda from the religious zealots, this time using a KNOWN pro-life doctor, who further abuses women after they have an abortion.

You really need to stop using discredit sources for support of your claims.

David Reardon (who runs the Elliot Institute, who runs theunchoice.com) is a proflic pro-life propagandist, who offers "after abortion" treament to women

In essence, his "business" is to tell women, after they get an abortion that they did the wrong and "bullies" the women, who are already on an emotional roller coaster to "turn" them further abusing them

His reports have been criticized by every major mental health organization as being nothing more than unsupported clap trap.



Why do you persist on thinking that we don't know any of the BS already? The "experts" you use are nothing more than con artists and religious zealots who wish to take away women's rights.
You want a neutral site---ok, here it is---

Post Abortion Healing and Help, Post Abortion Stress Syndrome Support

More about this site: This website contains information, help and resources for women dealing with Post Abortion Stress Syndrome, also referred to as "PASS". We provide neutral, non-judgmental, non-religion based, non-politically affiliated online support, information, help and healing. This site was created by "jilly", a woman who has recovered from her own struggles with PASS after 5 abortions. We provide help through "peer support" discussion, volunteer helpers, message board communication and online information. "Peer Support" means that there are no professional counselors or doctors here, just other women who have been through these experiences and understand them. Regardless of whether your abortion was 3 weeks ago, 3 years ago, or 30 years ago, you can find other women who understand, and lots of support.
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