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- if the 80% don't want to smell smoke or breathe in those poisons, you can go f' yourself.
No one gives a flying f' you smoke. Really. You can go ahead no one cares. Its when you stink up our air with your poisons we get pissed. When you talk of your rights, it really means "my right to blow smoke in your face and make you breathe it in".
and btw, if someone said "my right being taken away" and the promise to "stand up in your defense" I would be like.
Uh, dude, don't plan on needing your help. you see I try to live by empathy of others and as such do not want rights that would allow me to hurt others in order for me to "feel better" thanks to some drug.
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Originally Posted by egamakaded idiut
Since roughly 80% of the adult population does not smoke, smokers are a decided minority. I always tell non-smokers there will come a day when something you do the vast majority of people don't do or like including me and you'll need me to stand up in defense of you.
I do think some people go overboard with the cancer risk though... many, many people who live in northern climates with finished basements or forced air furnaces expose themselves to the equivalent of 2-12 cigarettes a day worth of radon exposure (every 4 pci/l is about 10 cigarettes) , since homes are not required to be tested for radon, most are not, and a typical house in a high expose area with a basement will in fact have radon in it.
Red herring there dude. I mean seriously . . .smokers are the one who die from Radon more than anyone else. . .and . . .WTF does Radon have to do with smoking (other than that link).
nothing
you get exposed to radiation by flying in a plane. Neither here nor there.
Too often you can find yourself having to walk down the sidewalk in the trailing wake of one of these poseurs, who keep them safely for them by their sides. When not having to inhale as one always has to before opening a door on a closing piston next to them standing around in the entrance.
The other thing about being inside, ashtrays have smoldering cigarettes in them so chemicals still are getting into the air of not properly put out. If you had the "honor" of hearing "Smoking or non-smoking" at restaurants, you may remember having to smell disposed cigarettes as well as in use ones. Down a sidewalk, they can be flicked but it is not as concentrated as indoors.
The other thing about being inside, ashtrays have smoldering cigarettes in them so chemicals still are getting into the air of not properly put out. If you had the "honor" of hearing "Smoking or non-smoking" at restaurants, you may remember having to smell disposed cigarettes as well as in use ones. Down a sidewalk, they can be flicked but it is not as concentrated as indoors.
Indoors they mostly drift up into the ceiling. You're not walking into a trail that is still concentrated from lateral motion, often in still air or light breeze directly into your face--with your pulmonary system at work.
They only flick them (another topic) when they're finished holding them by their sides.
Red herring there dude. I mean seriously . . .smokers are the one who die from Radon more than anyone else. . .and . . .WTF does Radon have to do with smoking (other than that link).
nothing
you get exposed to radiation by flying in a plane. Neither here nor there.
radon and smoking increase cancer risk in roughly equal amounts. There are some people who go wacko over having to smell even the slightest hint of second hand smoke thinking they or their kids are going to keel over and die of lung cancer from 30 seconds of second hand smoke exposure... meanwhile they are ignorant of the lung cancer risk right in their own basements.
So you propose that instead of having any rules to protect the public, we should just have restaurants put up signs that say, "We don't refrigerate our food."
Why would a business do that in the first place? Is there a market for diners that serve rotten food that I am unaware of?
Of course there isn't, so that business would go under in short order, because no one wants to eat somewhere that serves rotten food.
Likewise, a business that allows smoking would also go under, and quite rightly, if people really didn't want to patronize it because it allows smoking.
Let the market decide.
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Originally Posted by stan4
It's not just patrons that are affected.
The people who work there are, as well.
And no, you can't just decide you're ok with risking your health.
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Sure you can. Most places are at-will employment.
If you choose to work somewhere that allows smoking, you are accepting the risk, just like everyone else who works a dangerous job accepts the unique risks that come with it.
I understand your perspective but I disagree in totality. As someone who has NEVER taken one puff, I don't think smokers are treated wrongly. We need to protect the health of people, we should not have to be exposed to others' bad habits. Second hand smoke has been known for decades to have adverse health risks for those exposed to it. If one wants to smoke, okay. But no one has to be forced to smoke with you indirectly, which is what second hand smokers are being exposed to.
Now I will concede that some look down on smoking, it's no longer seen as glamorous and cool thing to do. But smokers can either get help and quit or smoke if they choose to. But no one else should have to be exposed to it. Smells terrible.
I feel sorry for smokers they are addicted. they do not smoke because they want to, they smoke because they have to. they are addicted. quitting nicotine is extremely difficult. with that being said people who don't smoke should not be exposed to it in public places.
Since roughly 80% of the adult population does not smoke, smokers are a decided minority. I always tell non-smokers there will come a day when something you do the vast majority of people don't do or like including me and you'll need me to stand up in defense of you.
It's no different than any other vice except it smells.
Smokers are no worse or no better than drinkers... or anyone else for that matter.
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