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Old 03-31-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The Constitution directly specified 3 types of citizens, at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment as those who are “citizens,” those who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and natural born citizens. The architects of the Fourteenth Amendment had two to choose from in granting citizenship under this amendment, they choose just a citizen, and rejected “a natural born citizen.”
Wrong.

The Constitution recognizes two and only two classes of citizen; natural born and naturalized. There is no third class. This was true under the Constitution as originally established, and reasserted by the 14th Amendment.

 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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NO it didn't. The Constitution defintes 2 and only two types of citizens, those born and those who are naturalized.

Only racists use t he 14th amendment to say that there is a 3rd type of citizen.

and birthers say they aren't racists.
Article I, Section II of the Constitution names citizens jus sanguinis (natural citizens) and jus soli (citizens where born).

Natural Born Citizen did preexist the the 14th Amendment. See Vattel's Laws of Nations

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Old 03-31-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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Wrong.

The Constitution recognizes two and only two classes of citizen; natural born and naturalized. There is no third class. This was true under the Constitution as originally established, and reasserted by the 14th Amendment.
Where were you born, and of what citizenship were your parents at the time of your birth?
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Where were you born, and of what citizenship were your parents at the time of your birth?
I was born in the United States to parents who were born in the United States to citizens of Italy.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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Article I, Section II of the Constitution names citizens jus sanguanis (natural citizens) and jsu soli (citizens where born).
The US recognizes both Jus sanguinis (not sanguanis) and jus soli, to establish natural born citizensip.

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Natural Born Citizen did preexist the the 14th Amendment.

Yes it did. The 14th amendment reaffirmed that. Did you know that women weren't considered citizens at all, despite being born to citizen parents and/or born on US Soil?
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Article I, Section II of the Constitution names citizens jus sanguanis (natural citizens) and jsu soli (citizens where born).
Wrong. This is Article I, Section II of the US Constitution:

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The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
There is no mention of either jus soli or jus sanguinis.

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Natural Born Citizen did preexist the the 14th Amendment.
As I have said.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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NO it didn't. The Constitution defintes 2 and only two types of citizens, those born and those who are naturalized.
Well, of course, no one is arguing that unborn citizens would require naturalization for citizenship.

"Any person unborn as a citizen, by virtue of parental allegiance to another nation, or by virtue of subsummation of another nation's "property", would require naturalization and not be eligible for the Constitutional qualification of president or vice president of the United States."- Nonarchist
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:20 PM
 
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Wrong. This is Article I, Section II of the US Constitution:

As you will note... there is no mention of citizenship at all.


As I have said.

Not as you said it, Dude!
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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Well, of course, no one is arguing that unborn citizens would require naturalization for citizenship.
When did I mention unborn citizens?
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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I was born in the United States to parents who were born in the United States to citizens of Italy.

So . . You're parents never got themselves naturalized?
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