Anthropogenic Global Warming-the left's Religion? (border, 9/11, politicians, parties)

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Originally Posted by thecoalman

Was nothing skeptical about the hockey stick, here he his in his own words explaining how they produced it:

Well, nothing legitimate refuting it. The Wegman Report, originally touted by climate deniers, is now known as the epitome of denialist stupidity. Ignoring independent investigations, then plagiarizing Wikipedia and several old textbooks, Wegman is only got himself under investigation by George Mason University for plagiarism and misconduct.

Originally Posted by Kracer

YET AGAIN...........

The human caused global warming camp loses credibility when they determine the science is settled and the debate is over.

That's like saying people know gravity exists are part of some religious faith because the debate is over that it exists. There is massive amounts of proof that it unequivocally exists. If people can disprove it, without fraud and misconduct, they can challenge it. That's how science works. Belief without proof is faith, knowledge with proof is truth.

Religion was the supporter of Heliocentrism, with science proving it wrong to threats of torture to Galileo by religious authorities. The only person who thinks that Heliocentrism was a scientific or atheist doctrine was Sisyphus on Blogs 4 Brownback. If you really want to believe such a massive idiot that also thought that electrons are angels and protons are demons capable of conscious decisions and supported the genocide of the French...that's just comedy.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by subsound

Well, nothing legitimate refuting it.

...but you'll accept his analysis with BEST right? You do realize who the man in the video was?

Having said that how can you justify what they did? You're going to splice parts of data sets together because the one set doesn't agree with your foregone conclusion? LOL

[Aganusn]

Saying germ theory is a religion doesn't make it so.

[nei]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Having said that how can you justify what they did? You're going to splice parts of data sets together because the one set doesn't agree with your foregone conclusion? LOL

What are you referring to? I'll watch the video linked to later.

[thecoalman]

The methods they use to reconstruct temperature data like tree rings when there is no man made records take a nose dive after the sixities, they don't go up like man made records do. The frankenstick is made up from two separate timeliness using two different methods to measure temperature.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by Aganusn

Saying germ theory is a religion doesn't make it so.

Al Gore is the savior of the human race.

[Roadking2003]

Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake

It occurs to me that the AGW "movement" shares many aspects of organized religion.
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There is a huge difference. Religion is optional and you can choose what to follow or none at all. Donations are optional and voluntary.

AGW is not optional nor voluntary. It has already taken billions of dollars out of our pockets and restricted our freedom. None of it by choice.

[Roadking2003]

Originally Posted by subsound

Well, nothing legitimate refuting it. The Wegman Report, originally touted by climate deniers, is now known as the epitome of denialist stupidity. Ignoring independent investigations, then plagiarizing Wikipedia and several old textbooks, Wegman is only got himself under investigation by George Mason University for plagiarism and misconduct..

Last time I checked, plagiarism doesn't make the material wrong.

Nice diversion.

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Originally Posted by Roadking2003

Last time I checked, plagiarism doesn't make the material wrong.

Nice diversion.

There's a lot more then that that is wrong with it. I just said what he was being investigated for. This is really simple English.

Here is a 250 page report on the "Strange Scholarship in the Wegman Report" detailing everything wrong with it. Including misconduct, misleading information, plagiarism, contradictions of itself, and downright lies presented in the report.

[Turboblocke]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

The methods they use to reconstruct temperature data like tree rings when there is no man made records take a nose dive after the sixities, they don't go up like man made records do.

Yep that's right: some Northern Hemisphere tree ring data diverges from actual temperature measurements. I don't know why deniers make a big fuss about this. Given the choice of a direct measurement by thermometers or an indirect method such as tree rings, which would you use?
It's not even as if it was a big secret, there are papers on it dating from the mid-90's.

Originally Posted by thecoalman

The frankenstick is made up from two separate timeliness using two different methods to measure temperature.

Are you refering to the "Hockey Stick"? Like this figure from IPCC TAR:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Hockey_stick_chart_ipcc_large.jpg (broken link)

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar..._TAR-FRONT.PDF
Are you objecting to Mann showing the modern NH temperature measurement alongside the other reconstructions? Why don't you object to showing two or more reconstructions together?

Or perhaps you object to splicing data from different proxies together? Why? As long as they can be calibrated, it's the only way to make reconstructions going back hundreds of years, before modern instruments were available.