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So exactly what temp is it when a tree ring is 1mm wide?
Nobody knows! Its junk science. Not even Mann can answer that question and he's the alleged expert.
Tree ring data and known temps do not correlate. One or the other is wrong. Either thousands of weather stations are wrong or the scientist, the only one on the planet that has data tying tree rings to temps and wont share his methodology with anyone, is wrong. You can't have it both ways.
After the date passes and nothing happens, they will just extend it out to some other date and then proclaim it is "worse than they thought". *chuckle*
So exactly what temp is it when a tree ring is 1mm wide?
Nobody knows! Its junk science. Not even Mann can answer that question and he's the alleged expert.
Tree ring data and known temps do not correlate. One or the other is wrong. Either thousands of weather stations are wrong or the scientist, the only one on the planet that has data tying tree rings to temps and wont share his methodology with anyone, is wrong. You can't have it both ways.
The real dirty secret is, when you take out the bristlecone tree rings from the paliochronologies, you loose the hockey stick entirely.
So exactly what temp is it when a tree ring is 1mm wide?
Nobody knows! Its junk science. Not even Mann can answer that question and he's the alleged expert.
Tree ring data and known temps do not correlate. One or the other is wrong. Either thousands of weather stations are wrong or the scientist, the only one on the planet that has data tying tree rings to temps and wont share his methodology with anyone, is wrong. You can't have it both ways.
There are so many inconsistencies (noisy data) with tree ring data as a correlation to temperature that it is a constant topic of discussion as to if they have any real use for that specifically at all other than gauging precipitation and even then they have to be extremely careful to insure there isn't some local factor that is influencing it (which often is).
There have been several papers published that show problems with this approach to analysis, but then... a great deal of the analysis out there is simply models guessing about things the researchers have no real understanding of. /shrug
The real dirty secret is, when you take out the bristlecone tree rings from the paliochronologies, you loose the hockey stick entirely.
*cough* um Ferd, I think we need to delete all references to such, could you please pass this on in an email to to the others to also delete any references to such an issue? We don't want this getting out and damaging the movement. *chuckle*
So exactly what temp is it when a tree ring is 1mm wide?
Nobody knows! Its junk science. Not even Mann can answer that question and he's the alleged expert.
Tree ring data and known temps do not correlate. One or the other is wrong. Either thousands of weather stations are wrong or the scientist, the only one on the planet that has data tying tree rings to temps and wont share his methodology with anyone, is wrong. You can't have it both ways.
This is a little off subject, but I saw a discovery channel documentary, where a scientist was trying to prove dramatic effects of global warming. He showed some growth rings from coral, that dated back to the early 1800s. He used the comparison of small growth rings in the 1800s to the larger growth rings in the 20th century, as proof of man-made global warming. As if, the LIA did not exist, and was not responsible for slowed growth in the frigid 1800s, and as we have warmed out of the freaking ice-age, the coral grew faster.
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Maybe they are behind AGW.
