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Old 11-30-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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What are weekends? I work rotating shifts in a hospital boiler room. One of us MUST remain in the hospital at all times. I'm off only one Saturday and Sunday a month. We need to be there for things like medical gas, emergency generators, water treatment, HVAC, rescuing people trapped in elevators, emergency first responder (fire, gas, helicopter crash, etc), and general repairs for building and communications equipment. I'd love to have every weekend off but that would hurt patient, staff, and guest safety.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I agree Nafta had negative effects for wages but the trade agreement was a fully bipartisan effort.

And Nafta is anything but liberal. I never heard any republicans in congress complaining about it.
yes it was a 'bipartisan' bill

passed by the globalists

PUSHED by clinton a student of brzezinski (along with carter, bush1, cheney and obama)

nafta is very liberal...its globalism which is socialism..or to be more precise its a form of fascism


"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them." lennin

....Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, clinton and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""



As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.


""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini



Its not hard to understand; The progressives (aka todays liberals which took over the democratic party) have been in bed with the elite since the late 1880's................these are the same people that created the fed, the same people that passed the income tax amendment in 1913, the same people that supported the european socialists and the nasi's, and the fascists

progressives have helped in some areas (child labor laws, etc) but their sole intent is to 'socialize' the united states, to either "nationalize" the entire country and its corporations (main stream socialist way), or to so over regulate the corporations (the fascist way)

progressives (aka liberals) were the ones who supported hitler, progressives are owned by the european banks

Up until ww2, fascist and progressives were the same thing....But they dropped the term fascist due to public outcry and stuck with the term progressive ever since. Aside from being a complete nut of a dictator, Hitler had extremely liberal political policies and highly regulatory government agencies. He even had unviersal health care.

H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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nafta was not clinton's baby, you can thank daddy bush for that.
wrong

it was started by carter.. continued and even negotiated under bush1...but it was clinton that pushed it throught congress

NAFTA Engulfs Clinton Team - Defeat Would Be 'Catastrophic' - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON— Sharpening an already intensive lobbying campaign on the North American Free Trade Agreement, top aides to President Bill Clinton issued dire warnings on Sunday to reach for last-minute congressional votes.

A failure by Congress to ratify the trade accord would be "catastrophic" for U.S. foreign policy, Vice President Al Gore said in a broadcast interview.

Trade Representative Mickey Kantor said rejection of NAFTA would be "shameful." He also defended the White House against assertions that votes were being secured by promises of federal largesse to individual lawmakers.

Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen warned of "a real tragedy" in U.S.-Mexican relations if NAFTA fails, saying that Mexican politics would return to a era in which the United States was reviled.

Faced with considerable reluctance on the part of some Republicans, Mr. Clinton, a Democrat, promised to support them on the issue of NAFTA if a Democrat criticizes their votes in the 1994 election campaigns.

Mr. Gore reiterated the White House view that a defeat on NAFTA would be a blow to Mr. Clinton personally and to U.S. efforts to attain freer trade globally and in Asia.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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and you keep posting garbage that is UNPROVEN

the middleclass was around during the revolution war...BEFORE unions

the middleclass was around in the way before greedy unions brought therir form of corpoatism to the fold

unions are corporations...they were a good thing that helped get LAW WRITEN...if the unions go doesnt mean the LAW will go



in every union shop I worked in

1. work didnt get done, that could be done by anyone, because we had to wait for the union guy (and his many breaks) to do the job

2. the work was done SHODDY, because," hey Im union, I get paid to work or not work, and if I have to come back to do the job a second or third time, will still get paid"

3. the unions guys get PENCILED on their 'credintials' and are LESS TRAINED than the other guy

4. unions had a much higher turn around, because.... " hey after 3 years get hurt and then take a 3/4 disability"



my last shop was a non-union shop...the 'members' wanted union...my boss said ok...so I LOWERED them down to union wages....and no more 4th of july butcher package...no more profit sharing...no more thanksgiving turkey...no more christmas ham...and no more overtime.......................wasnt long before the 'union' slugs were gone

All those words and you still didn't answer the question of why exactly you think unions have destroyed the middle class.

And by the way, unions are NOT corporations. They are tax exempt and file no papers of incorporation with the state or federal government. Read this link and get educated:

Are Labor Unions Incorporated? | Small Business - Chron.com
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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1) yes it was a 'bipartisan' bill.

2) nafta is very liberal...its globalism which is socialism..
these two statements are contradictory.

if Nafta is so liberal, then why isn't the GOP and corporate America up in arms about it? because they love it, that's why.

Nafta pits Mexican workers directly against American workers and depresses wages in both countries, which is why corporate America loves these kind of 'free trade' agreements, as does the GOP and democrats alike.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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All those words and you still didn't answer the question of why exactly you think unions have destroyed the middle class.

And by the way, unions are NOT corporations. They are tax exempt and file no papers of incorporation with the state or federal government. Read this link and get educated:

Are Labor Unions Incorporated? | Small Business - Chron.com
The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people."



and UNIONS are corporations too


the GOVERNMENT is a corporation too
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Googling the history of unions is easy....and keeps you from buying into the lies and hysteria coming from the righties who do NOT want average working Americans to have any power.
What hysteria?

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Repugs believe corporations should have all the power....see how well that's working?
*******s believe that unions should have all the power...see how well that's working. (see the death of America's manufacturing base and consequently the end of the middle class.)

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When ya call in sick and get paid for that day(and not fired), thank unions.
Or you can thank yourself for being a worker that the company values enough to not fire for being sick.

You see who?me? Companies who fire good employees don't survive very long. But we forgive you for getting this wrong because we Repugs realize that this is a bit too complex a concept for liberals to grasp.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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these two statements are contradictory.

if Nafta is so liberal, then why isn't the GOP and corporate America up in arms about it? because they love it, that's why.

Nafta pits Mexican workers directly against American workers and depresses wages in both countries, which is why corporate America loves these kind of 'free trade' agreements, as does the GOP and democrats alike.
see this is where you cant figure things out

the corporations do love it because they are about power..and they are very liberal

the GOP is a puppy of the liberals...they have many 'progressives' within..the NEO-CONS are progressives with a "R" besides their names

I dont fall for the D-vs-r agenda

but we need to STOP the globalism/socialism/fascism of the progressives..they are killing the middlelcass

the liberal dream is two classes..the slave/serfs who get their small entitlement for votes, and the liberal elite masters
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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Interesting.

I always thought Saturdays and Sundays were holy days for the dominant US religions.
I was apparently also misinformed about the minimum wage and limited work week. For some crazy reason I thought FDR had implemented both during the great depression in an attempt to keep more people working and for a livable wage.

I have completely changed my mind about unions and will renounce my atheism and worship at the union hall for the union is my savior. Blessed Be.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:17 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people."



and UNIONS are corporations too


the GOVERNMENT is a corporation too
What a shallow and uneducated way of defending your position that unions are corporations. Using your definitions every PTA across the nation is a corporation and every little boy with a tree house and five friends who use that tree house as a club house is a corporation.
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