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View Poll Results: Should porn actors be required by law to use condoms in their films?
Yes, condoms should be required by law 17 22.08%
No 49 63.64%
Not sure 11 14.29%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-01-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Did you arrive at that opinion by personal research,being a boys coach or watching porn?


I don't do either. I leave that up to the scum of the earth.

Watch much porn? I think you do.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I don't do either. I leave that up to the scum of the earth.

Watch much porn? I think you do.
Naw...used to "back in the day"...but since I'm so old it was all in black and white back then and Fred,Barney,Wilma & Betty could only do so much ya know.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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L.A. porn condom initiative moves closer to ballot - latimes.com

I understand the desire to protect people from diseases, but considering that these are adults who know what they're getting into, I think a law requiring condom usage goes too far. And where would they draw the line? If a married couple decides to make a sex film to sell for profit, technically, they'd be required to use condoms too. That's too much.
Well you can't operate a heavy boom (no pun intended) without a safety strap...Osha violation. I see nothing different here.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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Man, I hate it when there are condoms in porn... That'll be a death blow for the valley.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Leave it up to their personal choice. Not all porn stars are stupid. Ron Jeremy use to be a high school teacher and Nina Hartley use to be a registered nurse.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Prostitution occurs when someone provides sexual gratification to another person for money. That's different from a company hiring someone to perform in a movie. The California Supreme Court ruled on this decades ago. Performing in a porn movie is technically considered acting.
Here is an article I found.

The definition is not exactly as you believe it is.

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New York Penal Law defines a prostitute as a person "who engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee." A pornographic actor does just that: Like a more typical prostitute, he or she engages in sex in return for a fee.
(That is New York)

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"Prostitution," said Justice Goodman, "is and has always been intuitively defined as a bilateral exchange between a prostitute and a client." Therefore, the judge explained, the district attorney's office has not ignored one form of prostitution and pursued another, within the meaning of the law....Still, as Justice Goodman points out, traditional interpretations of the word "prostitute" narrow the literal definition to exempt pornography.
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In other words, prostitution is generally understood as the bilateral trading of sex for money, while pornography involves the customer of an adult film paying money to watch other people have sex with each other, while receiving no sexual favors himself in return.

In keeping with this distinction, notes Justice Goodman, "the pornographic motion picture industry has flourished without prosecution since its infancy."

The legal line between porn and prostitution - CNN
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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I fully support the rights of those who work in the porn industry (or any other industry) to control their working conditions. If performers want to go to a mandatory condom policy, I do think that is their right. However, I suspect that such a policy would destroy the industry, and take their jobs down with it. More importantly, condom usage would also increase the risk of HIV/AIDS in straight porn.

Porn is fantasy: in our fantasies, we don't worry about STDs, pregnancies, or social conventions. Condoms do/would, by their very presence in a scene, inject a continuous dose of reality. Some people might find that reassuring, but I imagine that most fans would be seriously put-off by it.

In commercially distributed straight porn, routine STD testing is used. This includes the right of every performer to view the test results of those with whom they will be working. Since straight performers are low risk for HIV/AIDS, testing makes the most sense.

The gay porn industry eschews testing in favor of condom use. There is a good reason for that. While it may not be an exact comparison, the STD rates in the mostly-condom gay porn industry are assumed to be much higher (since they don't test, no one really knows) than the rates in the testing-dominated straight porn industry. It is understood in the gay porn industry that there is a high likelihood of having contact with someone who is HIV+. Therefore, a barrier method is the most effective means of protecting performers. Testing would likely destroy the gay porn industry because a significant number of the performers would test positive.

If condom usage were legislatively mandated, the straight porn industry in the US would be decimated. Few people would watch pornography which uses condoms for all sexual encounters. Consumers of straight porn would undoubtedly look to foreign sources of product and to already-produced material they haven't yet seen. But the biggest source of condom-free porn production would likely be material produced under the legal radar. That is exactly what happened in France, where condom usage is mandated for penetrative sex in commercial releases.

We know from American history what happens when a product/service desired by the public is made illegal by government mandate. After passage of The Volstead Act, alcohol production didn't end, it just found a different model for production and distribution. Today, gambling, prostitution, and illicit drug transactions take place regularly in spite of their largely illegal status.

What does happen (look at prostitution in Sweden after that country's 2000 prostitution legislation) is that production and activity is driven underground--where control and oversight are virtually nonexistent. Significant numbers of performers would continue to make condom-less porn. However, since legitimate testing services would no longer exist, those performers would be left working without condoms AND without the ability to know the health status of their co-stars.

I agree that performers engage in a certain amount of risk, and again, I support the rights of performers to make a decision concerning the use of condoms. But, mandatory condom usage would not only destroy the business of porn in the US, it would make it far more dangerous for those performers-- who would likely continue to work in underground production.

Here is an interesting research paper done by an economics professor. It is entitled "Self-Regulation in the Adult Film Industry: Why Are HIV Outbreaks the Exception and Not the Norm?"

http://econ.as.nyu.edu/docs/IO/10239...onintheAFI.doc

Among other things, the author looks at some of the economic principles of the porn industry, the role of AIM (Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation--now defunct) in diminishing STD risks of performers, and comparisons of STD rates within the straight porn industry to those in the general population.

Unlike performers in the gay porn industry, performers in straight porn are not high risk for HIV/AIDS. The process of testing has functioned very well for those in straight porn, and more frequent testing would certainly reduce the rates of other STDs. While mandated condom usage would make some people feel more socially and politically comfortable, it would, ultimately, make the porn industry more dangerous for performers than it is now.

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Old 12-01-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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Here is an article I found.

The definition is not exactly as you believe it is.

The production of hardcore porn is absolutely legal in two states: California and New Hampshire.

California v. Freeman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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The production of hardcore porn is absolutely legal in two states: California and New Hampshire.

California v. Freeman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When has the law ever stopped do-gooders?
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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The gay porn industry eschews testing in favor of condom use. There is a good reason for that. While it may not be an exact comparison, the STD rates in the mostly-condom gay porn industry are assumed to be much higher (since they don't test, no one really knows) than the rates in the testing-dominated straight porn industry. It is understood in the gay porn industry that there is a high likelihood of having contact with someone who is HIV+. Therefore, a barrier method is the most effective means of protecting performers. Testing would likely destroy the gay porn industry because a significant number of the performers would test positive.
Why would gay porn be different from straight porn with regard to mandatory TESTING for HIV infection among their "PERFORMERS"?

I could come up with a lot of choice things to say about this but I'd rather someone explain this to me before I start spewing forth.

From what I have heard - quite a few of the male performers who have tested positive lately worked in both gay and straight porn.

Maybe therein lies the problem.
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