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At 85, after a life in politics spanning five decades (he retired from the Senate in 1987), Mr. Conservative has found himself an unlikely new career: as a gay rights activist. While that's not his sole pursuit – he returned to Capitol Hill yesterday to testify in favor of scenic overflights of the Grand Canyon – in recent years he's championed homosexuals serving in the military and has worked locally to stop businesses in Phoenix from hiring on the basis of sexual orientation. This month he signed on as honorary co-chairman of a drive to pass a federal law preventing job discrimination against homosexuals. The effort, dubbed Americans Against Discrimination, is being spearheaded by the Human Rights Campaign Fund, the influential gay lobbying organization.
"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."
There was a time when a good part of the Republican Party believed in individual liberty and limited government. The title is misleading. Goldwater was always a classical liberal he never needed to "turn left".
Originally Posted by mythunderstood So,do you mean that you actively have to think, weigh your options, and make a decision as to which sex you are going to have sex with? Thank goodness I never had to make a choice! For me as a female, I have no choice but to have sex with males, since I am not in the least bit sexually attracted to females. As a male, are you saying that you are sexually attracted to males too, so that you have to actually make a choice between whether you are going to have sex with a male or female? I sure am glad I don't have that problem!
You have a choice in your sexual partners. You do not have a choice in who you are sexually attracted to. A large majority of us are sexually attracted to one sex only.
As a female, I am not in the least bit sexually attracted to other females, and the thought of having sex with them would make me want to hurl. Females are not in my field of "choices" of sexual partners. Do you honestly consider men as potential sexual partners for yourself, even though you are not sexually attracted to them?
Anyone really surprised that a sin-based business is giving money to hate groups?
Not at all. And I can't believe people are actually trying to argue that CFA isn't sin-based. Where's that picture of the lie they told again?
Ohh, I see. It's only a sin for liberals or non-Christians to lie
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Why does anyone give a rats ass what anyone else is doing about this?
Its a personal decision. Eat there or don't, for whatever reason.
It's a personal decision that can affect many, however indirectly. Giving money to the cause of keeping gays from having the right to get married or adopt is a huge no-no, morally speaking. Why? Because no harm has been consistently linked to homosexuality. Because no evidence has given us reason to discriminate against them in either way. Because the only consistent research keeps showing that gays are every bit as good as (if not better than) heterosexuals when it comes to both making marriage work and raising children.
Discrimination "just because" is an ENORMOUS problem. We wouldn't allow it against blacks; why should we allow it against homosexuals? And please don't tell me the two aren't comparable. Seeing as how it hasn't been firmly established whether some people are born gay, it very well could be comparable. To say it isn't = nothing but guesswork, and the law shouldn't be based on anyone's guessing. Not worth the risk of discriminating against someone for something they can't change, just to discriminate against someone for something that does no harm.
Not at all. And I can't believe people are actually trying to argue that CFA isn't sin-based. Where's that picture of the lie they told again?
Ohh, I see. It's only a sin for liberals or non-Christians to lie
It's a personal decision that can affect many, however indirectly. Giving money to the cause of keeping gays from having the right to get married or adopt is a huge no-no, morally speaking. Why? Because no harm has been consistently linked to homosexuality. Because no evidence has given us reason to discriminate against them in either way. Because the only consistent research keeps showing that gays are every bit as good as (if not better than) heterosexuals when it comes to both making marriage work and raising children.
Discrimination "just because" is an ENORMOUS problem. We wouldn't allow it against blacks; why should we allow it against homosexuals? And please don't tell me the two aren't comparable. Seeing as how it hasn't been firmly established whether some people are born gay, it very well could be comparable. To say it isn't = nothing but guesswork, and the law shouldn't be based on anyone's guessing. Not worth the risk of discriminating against someone for something they can't change, just to discriminate against someone for something that does no harm.
Thats a personal choice, whether or not its discrimination or not.
But just because someone eats there, or not, is a personal choice. The reason they choose to eat there, or not, is a personal choice.
It has nothing to do with the federal government. I choose not to spend my money at an institution that spends that money trying to enforce biblical laws in my country that isn't supposed to respect any establishment of religion.
Actually, the federal government shouldn't be picking and choosing winners. Married people should be no better then singles, and vice versa. There should be no federal recognition of marriage.
Welcome to the New America. Double standards galore: Islam and atheism, good, even when they're intolerant. Christianity, bad, even though they probably contribute more to housing, feeding and clothing the poor than any other group in this country.
On my way to Chic Fil A right after I get my haircut. Never been there before but I can't think of a better reason to go. What are my chances of meeting any gay people when I am there?
Welcome to the New America. Double standards galore: Islam and atheism, good, even when they're intolerant. Christianity, bad, even though they probably contribute more to housing, feeding and clothing the poor than any other group in this country.
AGAIN!!!!!
Christians have been banning business that they don't agree with for decades, by denying them business licenses in their towns. NOW you're upset because a liberal is threatening to do the same?
Thats a personal choice, whether or not its discrimination or not.
What do you mean?
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But just because someone eats there, or not, is a personal choice. The reason they choose to eat there, or not, is a personal choice.
No one's arguing that point. But not all choices are equal, particularly by moral standards.
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It has nothing to do with the federal government. I choose not to spend my money at an institution that spends that money trying to enforce biblical laws in my country that isn't supposed to respect any establishment of religion.
And I salute you for it.
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Actually, the federal government shouldn't be picking and choosing winners. Married people should be no better then singles, and vice versa. There should be no federal recognition of marriage.
I agree. But so long as it's doing so, everyone should have the same rights unless there is damn good reason for it be otherwise.
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