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Old 01-08-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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The judge should be careful....Obama may hold him "indefinitely without trial".
As he can now do by law. You and me too. Where is the outrage? Are our souls so dead that we take this without even a whimper?

If so, then we don't deserve freedom.
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/HawaiiChristianname.png (broken link)
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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Of course, one of those that AP article, talked about it way, way before he thought of the presidency...but that's probably irrelevant.
not irrelevant, just not true. the AP article never contained the "kenyan-born". it was added by the standard.

snopes.com: AP Reports Obama as 'Kenyan-Born'
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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freerepublic's DiogenesLamp located John Adams law book...


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Old 01-08-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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freerepublic's DiogenesLamp located John Adams law book...

so now you're arguing that "natural born subject " is the same as "natural born citizen" ?
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Another...guess I missed it..there's so many in my files..

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Old 01-08-2012, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Lets not forget a member of the Kenyan government statement..

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/KenyanParliament3725_1.jpg (broken link)

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Old 01-09-2012, 01:11 AM
 
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Ankeny mistakenly concluded that the 14th Amendment case of Wong Kim Ark ruled Wong Kim Ark to be a “natural born Citizen” rather than a born “citizen of the United States.” The Ankeny court also incorrectly equated a British "natural born subject" with a U.S. "natural born Citizen" and incorrectly relied upon Wong Kim Ark.

sorry, but if they did as you claim, why didn't Akeny appeal?

Oh wait, because unlike you, I trust the court than some no-name non legal expert who thinks that their are three citizenship classes in America, despit 200 years of legal court findings that say there are only 2.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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That makes no sense when the founders intent was to insure allegiance to this country, above any other.
And you are not born with allegiance. You learn allegiance. Citizenship doesn't guarantee allegiance (as we have seen with our own traitorous citizens)

And our founders recognized this by saying that allegiance is not born, but earned.

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So they would want a citizen born of 2 citizen parents. That is the only reasonable and logical conclusion that can be drawn.
Nope. that's a stretch of the imagination. Our founders were lawyers, many of them were schooled in English Common Law. Our Constitution is based on English Common Law, by the fact that Blackstone was quoted most often

Vattel - only quoted 3 times, all to do with INTERNATIONAL LAW for which the founders kneew he was an expert.

However, the REST of the US CONSTITUTION goes against the beliefs of Vattel, namely the first 2 Amendments in the Bill of Rights goes a complete opposite of what Vattel felt (He didn't believe in free speech, and certainly did not believe that private citizens could own any type of weapon).
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:23 AM
 
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Yes there are plenty of those type people who agree with me.


Here's one. He's a Constitutional law professor. Please listen closely.
Herb Titus? You're using the "I found Christ again, and all law is originated with God, and unless we change our judicial system to recognize this, all judges shold be removed for not recognizing that God is our leader" nutcase?


That his beliefs were so extreme, that he was fired from his position at Regent Law School


The same Herb Titus that never references Vattel or even 2 parent requirements?
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