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Old 01-26-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Having a Referendum on Gay Marriage is Wrong



Having a Referendum on Gay Marriage is Wrong

Maybe Christie needs it explained to him that civil rights is not based upon majority rules.
Advisory referendum's are commonplace across the country ... if that's what the Governor is suggesting. There are strong arguments favoring marriage as a states-rights issue. And if one buys-into and agrees with those arguments than allowing the voters to make the decision is the democratic way to govern. From the people up. Not from the officials down.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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The point is that it is a ridiculous premise to have a "referendum" make the decision as to what is civilly right. Our Constitution does that.
Guess you need to study the Constitution a little more. Marriage has always been a states right issue. Until SCOTUS rules otherwise or an amendment is added it will stay that way.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Guess you need to study the Constitution a little more. Marriage has always been a states right issue. Until SCOTUS rules otherwise or an amendment is added it will stay that way.
Please point to the article/clause in the US Constitution that supports your claim (which shall remain a lie, until then).
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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When changing the definition of marriage, the people have a right to vote on it.

How would you like it if someone wanted to change the definition of "gay"? Oh, that's right....they already did!
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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Please point to the article/clause in the US Constitution that supports your claim (which shall remain a lie, until then).
Point where I'm wrong.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Point where I'm wrong.
Your claim is nowhere to be found in the US Constitution. Can't prove a negative. What we do find there is governments' responsibilities to ensure personal freedoms (Bill of Rights), a framework to the government and then some. Looking forward to your edition of the US Constitution from which you spew such claims.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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Your claim is nowhere to be found in the US Constitution. Can't prove a negative. What we do find there is governments' responsibilities to ensure personal freedoms (Bill of Rights), a framework to the government and then some. Looking forward to your edition of the US Constitution from which you spew such claims.
You haven't disproved my claim.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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Guess you need to study the Constitution a little more. Marriage has always been a states right issue. Until SCOTUS rules otherwise or an amendment is added it will stay that way.
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The Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, delineates specific rights that are reserved for U.S. citizens and residents. No state can remove or abridge rights that are guaranteed by the Constitution.

The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, provides that every individual who is born or naturalized in the United States is a citizen and ensures that a state may not deprive a citizen or resident of his or her civil rights, including Due Process of Law and Equal Protection of the laws. Congress is also empowered to enact laws for the enforcement of these rights.
Please explain how this does not appy to the rights of consenting adults to marry any other consenting adult that they choose to.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You haven't disproved my claim.
It takes an idiot to try and prove a negative, just as it does take one to present one as an argument. In other words, we would need TWO idiots, if that is the direction you demand.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Please explain how this does not appy to the rights of consenting adults to marry any other consenting adult that they choose to.
Until SCOTUS rules that it is a civil right under the definition that you provide or an amendment is added then it remains a state issue. Nothing your present will dispute that fact. Hence the reason each state currently needs to decide if GAY marriage is appropriate for their state.

Beat your head against the wall if you wish but it won't change the facts.
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