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Old 02-09-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You should read before you post. There's always a "catch."

"And that’s the catch: these are not simply waivers to provide relief to states from the onerous provisions of No Child Left Behind. These are conditions-based waivers, and the strings attached to this “relief” further tether states to Washington."

Read more: No Child Left Behind Waivers Let Team Obama Seize Control Of Your Child's Education | Fox News

You keep posting the same sentence over and over again as if it explains anything in any factual detail. It doesn't.
Why would any reasonable person think that waivers would be issued without some method of determining whether or not what the districts implement will produce better results than NCLB?
And why would any reasonable person think that the districts are not agreeable to these new stipulations?


From the infinitely more objective link that I posted:

"They will now have flexibility to target resources on the lowest-performing schools. They will still be expected to test and report achievement data, but will no longer have to require all schools to improve at a certain rate to reach 100 percent proficiency in reading and math by 2014, as NCLB required.
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The waivers couldn’t have happened without the backdrop of the Common Core State Standards, which 45 states have voluntarily adopted, Ms. Rentner says. Partly through incentives from the federal government, such as the Education Department's Race to the Top grants, states have been agreeing to these more-rigorous standards designed to keep students globally competitive in the 21st century. This will make it easier to compare student performance across states, Rentner says."
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:21 PM
 
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Everything is a "dem dur UNIONS rabble rabble!" conspiracy on the extreme right isn't it?
Students that don't give a damn, parents that could care less as well, look at school as nothing more than free daycare,...sure it's all the teacher's fault.
Yes it is, because government unions and Democrats all suck the life out of the private sector dollar and want to have everyone live each day being told what to do by big government daddy.

That thinking and government unions are the end of us.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
You keep posting the same sentence over and over again as if it explains anything in any factual detail. It doesn't.
Why would any reasonable person think that waivers would be issued without some method of determining whether or not what the districts implement will produce better results than NCLB?
And why would any reasonable person think that the districts are not agreeable to these new stipulations?


From the infinitely more objective link that I posted:

"They will now have flexibility to target resources on the lowest-performing schools. They will still be expected to test and report achievement data, but will no longer have to require all schools to improve at a certain rate to reach 100 percent proficiency in reading and math by 2014, as NCLB required.
...
The waivers couldn’t have happened without the backdrop of the Common Core State Standards, which 45 states have voluntarily adopted, Ms. Rentner says. Partly through incentives from the federal government, such as the Education Department's Race to the Top grants, states have been agreeing to these more-rigorous standards designed to keep students globally competitive in the 21st century. This will make it easier to compare student performance across states, Rentner says."
There's that pesky little "catch." Incentives, as in getting a fraction of whats already been paid into the Dept. of Educ. back, dangled like a carrot on a stick for following a Federal Curriculum. Voluntary? Depends on your definition.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:38 PM
 
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Default Teacher's union failed and paid Obama to end it.

What is the problem with the following exactly?
  • Schools that miss AYP for a second consecutive year are publicly labeled as being "in need of improvement" and are required to develop a two-year improvement plan for the subject that the school is not teaching well. Students are given the option to transfer to a better school within the school district, if any exists.
  • Missing AYP in the third year forces the school to offer free tutoring and other supplemental education services to struggling students.
  • If a school misses its AYP target for a fourth consecutive year, the school is labelled as requiring "corrective action," which might involve wholesale replacement of staff, introduction of a new curriculum, or extending the amount of time students spend in class.
A fifth year of failure results in planning to restructure the entire school; the plan is implemented if the school fails to hit its AYP targets for the sixth year in a row. Common options include closing the school, turning the school into a charter school, hiring a private company to run the school, or asking the state office of education to run the school directly.

The act requires states to provide "highly qualified" teachers to all students. Each state sets its own standards for what counts as "highly qualified".
Similarly, the act requires states to set "one high, challenging standard" for its students. Each state decides for itself what counts as "one high, challenging standard," but the curriculum standards must be applied to all students, rather than having different standards for students in different cities or other parts of the state.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:41 PM
 
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Does this mean that Bush's little brother, Neil, of the Silverado Savings and Loan theft (costing taxpayers $1.3B), going to go out of business?

No Bush Left Behind
The President's brother Neil is making hay from school reform.

Lest we forget that the Bush's keep it in the family.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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A good step in the right direction for america, Obama will begin ending another in the long line of Bush admin disasters today by phasing out no child left behind in 10 states.

No Child Left Behind: 10 States Receive Waivers From Education Law's Sweeping Requirements
Look at the messes he was left with. Iraq, NCLB, tax cuts on billionaires crippling the country and the economy.

Thankfully he'll get a 2nd term to finally work on making the country a better place after this mess is cleaned up.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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Vouchers and riddance of unions: our education system will take off.
No vouchers for private or parochial schools.
I pay taxes to support a public system.
If you want private education, send your kids on your dime as my parents did.
I didn't breed; I don't mind paying for a public education open to all.
Any more than that, reach into your own pockets, not mine.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Once again, right wing libertarians don't know what they are talking about.

Actually very damn few of the people opining in this thread know what they're talking about. That includes the left wing, most of whom, including yourself, are really out to lunch.

It would help if people knew what NCLB was about and why, ultimately, it doesn't work.

And yes many teachers opposed it, not because of unions but because they knew what the ultimate outcome was going to be.

Teaching is one of the only occupations where the experts, the teachers, are told they don't know what they're talking about and people who have never taught a day are the ones making policy.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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No vouchers for private or parochial schools.
I pay taxes to support a public system.
If you want private education, send your kids on your dime as my parents did.
I didn't breed; I don't mind paying for a public education open to all.
Any more than that, reach into your own pockets, not mine.
By your reasoning then all food stamps should be required to be spent only at Government Stores, right?
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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This is 400 million dollars from the teacher's union to Obama in 2008 to end responsibility in teaching.
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