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Old 03-02-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
You choose to ignore the women who have to use it for diseases like Policystic disease and endometriosis.

What's the difference I ask again?
I don't know what else to tell you. This is ONLY about religious orgs. Do you get insurance from a religious org?

 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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You just don't get it. ONE IS AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS, the OTHER IS NOT. Religious people are allowed to have children, Viagra helps men with ED achieve this. Religious people don't believe in contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. That's all there is to it. Don't get insurance from a religious org and you will have nothing to worry about. It's that damn simple.
Viagra also helps men have sex out of wedlock, or with other men, which presumably also is against religious beliefs. Why should a church have to pay for that?
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Good question.

And let's be clear too (as on another thread), this is not about FREE birth control. This is about providing coverage AT ALL.
You really don't see any possible connection between the university where this took place and the Catholic Church and the attempt to force Catholics to do just this a couple of weeks ago? Yep, keep thinking about sexual freedom for women but never see any backdoor attempts to force anybody to do anything.

In this case the girl was trying to push the Church to provide just what the Obama administration tried to force the Catholic Church to provide in the schools, hospitals, clinics etc that they provide religious services in. You really can't see freedom of religion involved here, can you? That girl could transfer to a pubic college instead of trying for years to force Georgetown to provide her needs for her.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:31 PM
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You just don't get it. ONE IS AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS, the OTHER IS NOT. Religious people are allowed to have children, Viagra helps men with ED achieve this. Religious people don't believe in contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. That's all there is to it. Don't get insurance from a religious org and you will have nothing to worry about. It's that damn simple.
Some religions don't,because mine you can use Bc.

You still haven't answered my question. What about women with PCOs and Endometriosis,who have to take Bc?
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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No it does not. Women can still have sex without taking anything, men with ED OBVIOUSLY can't. Let's see, one can and one can't, which does more for whom again?
Once again, the Pill helps with health issues and isn't just used for contraceptive benefits. does Viagra help with other issues beyond ED?
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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No,men won't die from ED,get it?
I sure hope you are right because I have had ED problems for over 25 years and am not ready to have it kill me.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Ah, whatcha trying to say there son?

I really don't care what "churchists" say...I care about what I as a tax payer have to pay for, and about what mandates like these do to the cost of everyone's health insurance.

In a sensible world, health INSURANCE should work like car INSURANCE. It should pay for major, unexpected expenses, that would otherwise bankrupt or cause sever economic hardship. A $100K cancer treatment or trauma for example. Not routine medical expenses or maintenance. If your auto insurance company had to buy you tires, brakes and oil changes, prices would skyrocket...much like what has happened with HI.
Mandate for something being covered is not the same thing as mandate for someone to buy it. Being a tax payer doesn't make for an excuse to trample on personal rights. Shouldn't the person with benefits be free to choose whether he/she wants to use the benefits or not?

BTW, don't make it sound like Churchists are simply being used and abused for political purposes. It sounds worse.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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You just don't get it. ONE IS AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS, the OTHER IS NOT. Religious people are allowed to have children, Viagra helps men with ED achieve this. Religious people don't believe in contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. That's all there is to it. Don't get insurance from a religious org and you will have nothing to worry about. It's that damn simple.
There are many people who work for catholic universities, hospitals, etc., that are not catholic. They have a right to have BC covered, like everyone else.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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So, basically you're just a sexist who believes women shouldn't be able to have sex, but men should. Why don't you just mandate women be circumcised (like they do in Africa) so we get ZERO enjoyment from sex as well. Or, maybe stitch our vagina's up (like they do in Africa) so sex is excrutiating and we can bleed to death. I can't deal with your kind anymore, you make me sick.
You are an angry little girl I see. Women can still have sex without BC pills. Viagra is NOT a contraceptive, condoms are for men. That's the equivalent to women's BC pills. Don't get all twisted over an apples to oranges comparison. Women can have all the sex they want, but when they are irresponsible or to horny and can't say no when their partner doesn't have a condom, dig deep into your pockets when you want that abortion baby!
 
Old 03-02-2012, 12:34 PM
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The middle man in all this,the health insurance companies,I have heard a peep out of them.

Btw,I understand its people who get their health insurance from Religious organizations.
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