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View Poll Results: Does freedom of speech protect slander and libel?
No, slander and libel are not protected 23 88.46%
Yes, slander and libel are protected 1 3.85%
They are not protected but should be 2 7.69%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-06-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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Does freedom of speech give you the right to spread unsubstantiated information claims against others?

Libel lawyer: Fluke ‘definitely’ has reason to sue Limbaugh
Havig the right to sue does not mean it waqs slander or is liable. That is what the suit will determine. Pretty ify if you agree to be a appearnace i which it's discussed. of course your lawyer agrees its slander.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Are slander and libel protected by the 1st amendment? Should they be? Does freedom of speech give you the right to spread unsubstantiated information claims against others?
No.

For those who just don't get it, the Constitution only prevents government from interfering with free speech. In other words, you only have free speech against the government, not against individual or groups. It has no bearing on private individuals or private groups who are not interacting with the government.

For example, on City Data, you have no right to free speech; your writings can be censored or redacted for any reason or no reason at all.

Why? Because City Data is neither the government nor an agent of the government, and the 1st Amendment only applies to government and not private individuals or groups.

Constitutionally...

Mircea
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: New York City
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It's very hard to win these kinds of cases in the US. Many corporations and celebrities sue in the UK if possible.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Generally, protections against libel and slander are more limited for public and semi-public figures than they are for private figures.

Since Fluke put herself into the public spotlight (and politics, specifically), her protection is likely diminished as compared with a private figure.

I'm not convinced she has much of a case, in this instance.
In order for it to be slander it must be a malicious, false, and defamatory statement. It is not slander if what was said is true. Someone who wants others to pay for their sex is a prostitute indeed. Anyone who spends $3,000 per year, of other people's money, on contraception is everything Limbaugh said they were.

She can certainly sue, if she wants, but she will lose. The truth is a great defense in defamation cases.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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...if I printed something up about Santorum and Gingrich going into a gay bar together, that might ruin their neocon reputation.
Don't leave us hanging. What does the bartender say?
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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In order for it to be slander it must be a malicious, false, and defamatory statement. It is not slander if what was said is true. Someone who wants others to pay for their sex is a prostitute indeed.
I hope your'e not an attorney
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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I hope your'e not an attorney
I would love to see Limbaugh try to take that line of defense in court.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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Libel pertains to print, so this doesn't apply to fatboy.
Print or broadcast - it's the size of the audience. If anything comes of this, it will be a libel case.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The point is that only slander by the Rushista's should be protected.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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rush can be far out there at times

but did he really 'slander ' her..or did he call it as he saw it
Well, there's an ironclad defense. "I called it as I saw it, your honor."
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