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You're still whining and refusing to listen why anyone would have cause to not only disagree philosophically, but to legitimately hate her. And some do. I hate what she's done to the conservative mind turning them into blithering idiots.
You're not going to hear specific quotes from me because I'm not wading through that tripe ever again anymore than I'd be willing to turn a page of suspended disbelief for dianetics ever again. My grievance is with the full body of her work in an American context, which is oil and water. She's incompatible with the full depth and breadth of the nation we are.
Looks to me you've made it your life's mission in this forum to promote this book. You don't think there's anything strange about that coming from an atheist? The atlas shrugged Bible?
It's stated in the Bible on more than one occasion to never worship a human being. There's a good reason for that even if you cannot bring yourself to believe in God.
So you choose a ranting, left wing blogger as your source of information about Rand? One who makes random statements as fact, yet can't be bothered to provide a link, bibliography or footnote to the source of his statements?
OKay....so you still avoid discussing or refuting any of the ideas in her novels or other writings.
It's a fact that Rand admired this serial killer, regardless of the link that I provided. Her so called philosophy provided and excuse and validation for the sociopathics and individuals displaying symptoms of the "greed" disease.
The post you like is all about people working together to achieve great results. Rand's novel is full of episodes where people work together to achieve great results such as building a railroad. Rand never advocated that people not work together.
Notice that the post you like does not say the government did any of those things.
Sorry, but the so called philosophy of Ayn Rand that right wingers have embraced has less to do with warm and fuzzy "working together" and more to do with demonizing the less fortunate.
Try teacher unions gone, has nothing to do with good teacher's. Pensions for life is bankrupting America. Check out Stockton, CA unions are wrong for this country!!
This is absurd to think anyone wants to get rid of teacher's what the heck is the left trying to pull.
You live where??
I live in conservative ville and no most conservatives do not own businesses and no they are not rich so whats your point. Also that was not about teachers and I want bother to explain since you couldn't understand apparently.
Those who have not read her books are not qualified to judge them based on hearsay or interviews where it is easy to misspeak and difficult to expand on an idea. As far as her personality and personal life, we know little about the personal lives of writers like Aristotle, Shakespeare or Emily Dickinson. Are their writings also of no value? And let's not look too closely at the personal lives of liberal heroes like JFK and MLK ....
I don't agree with all of Ayn Rand's ideas and I doubt if most of her readers do.
Her detractors like to explain her concept of "the virtue of selfishness" as a merciless social Darwinism that is incompatible with values of compassion and empathy.
Actually the opposite if true. The truly "selfish" person will maximize their utility to a larger society in order to reap the largest benefit. If everyone followed this concept we would truly live in a utopia.
Rejection of this principle is at the heart of communist totalitarianism, which Ayn Rand experienced first hand and no doubt gave her the insight necessary to get to the heart of the matter so well.
Sorry, but the so called philosophy of Ayn Rand that right wingers have embraced has less to do with warm and fuzzy "working together" and more to do with demonizing the less fortunate.
It's a fact that Rand admired this serial killer, regardless of the link that I provided. Her so called philosophy provided and excuse and validation for the sociopathics and individuals displaying symptoms of the "greed" disease.
Many have read "Mein Kampf" and some will buy into the writing of a lunatic and many will not.
So you've stepped your source up from a ranting left-wing blogger all the way to that source of reason and intellect known as the "Daily Kos"? Great source of info you have there. The author quotes 3 sentences from a Rand source, without context, and writes an entire, several page rant based on that. With Rand, context is particularly important...no one could accuse her of being concise.
And yet...no effort to refute her ideas.
You mention "Mein Kampf". It's acutally something I want to read some day. NOt becaue I admire Hitler; he's one of the most vile people to ever walk the face of the earth. I do think it's worth reading in order to gain some insite as to how someone can convince such a large portion of the population of a country to follow his leadership, when it's so obviously sick and twisted. And after reading it, I would enjoy a debate as to the ideas presented. Yet I'm not ignorant enough to condemn the book without reading it. The writer, for his actions, yes.
So you've stepped your source up from a ranting left-wing blogger all the way to that source of reason and intellect known as the "Daily Kos"? Great source of info you have there. The author quotes 3 sentences from a Rand source, without context, and writes an entire, several page rant based on that. With Rand, context is particularly important...no one could accuse her of being concise.
And yet...no effort to refute her ideas.
You mention "Mein Kampf". It's acutally something I want to read some day. NOt becaue I admire Hitler; he's one of the most vile people to ever walk the face of the earth. I do think it's worth reading in order to gain some insite as to how someone can convince such a large portion of the population of a country to follow his leadership, when it's so obviously sick and twisted. And after reading it, I would enjoy a debate as to the ideas presented. Yet I'm not ignorant enough to condemn the book without reading it. The writer, for his actions, yes.
I have never read the Dalai Lama's or Ghandi's writings in their entirety and yet I am intelligent enough to know that from what I have read and listened to, these are people worth emulating on various levels. It does not take rocket science to glean from writings about Rand not to mention how her mentors in present governement are demonizing the underprivileged to know that this woman was not someone worth emulating...especially to the degree that her followers have. I don't know how many actual followers this woman has, but when her distorted views take root, it is counter to what the nation's society is supposed to stand for.
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I didn't say she was a blithering idiot. I said that was her effect on the conservative mind that I formerly admired. The party of Lincoln is dead. I attribute her with killing what was noble and true in it.
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because someone told you
I told you I read the book, and you responded by making things up. Liars can't ever believe someone would be truthful on principle.
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Who's the idiot?
Sane people who've seen the effects of Lyndon LaRouche/ cult tactics can judge for themselves.
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Look, I'm not a "ranting" Rander.
I'm not bothering to count how many insults you've hurled at me 'defending' rand from the horrible old Harborlady. I reject her ideology for hundreds of reasons, all on merit. I won't bother to enumerate them.
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Yet most her opposition is so virolent in their hatred
You still refuse to hear why their hatred would be virulent. Is it justified? Yes, it actually IS. Ayn Rand, Alan Greenspan and the Church of Satan are on manifestly unsound parallel paths. There is your neglected homework that you're claiming I haven't done. What works on the prosperity preaching crowd isn't going to fly with the rest of us. It's not flying with ethically minded atheists either. So, this isn't about cartoon superstitions you'd relegate to religion. Evil is quite real and you've been feeding it all along.
I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore. If you wanted to think about anything I've said, or dozens of other people have said up to this point, you would have. Omnipotence is swell, isn't it? Until it all blows up in your face and you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror. You've been warned.
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What works on the prosperity preaching crowd isn't going to fly with the rest of us. It's not flying with ethically minded atheists either. So, this isn't about cartoon superstitions you'd relegate to religion. Evil is quite real and you've been feeding it all along.
