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Old 03-14-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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How are "women's rights" being "set back"?

There is no "contraceptive issue", but the Democrats attempted (and failed) to fabricate one. It has backfired on them, BIG TIME.
Laughing my a** off. I guess the anger of the women voters hasn't made it to your transom as yet.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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How is the requirement to purchase health insurance any different than a state requiring you to purchase auto insurance? People do that every day without pooping their diaper in anger. The reasoning behind the requirements is exactly the same.
Is your employer forced to buy your car insurance?
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:52 PM
 
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Is your employer forced to buy your car insurance?
If I drive, I am required to show them my proof of insurance. Some driving jobs are covered by company insurance, which is also required by law.

That's not an answer. Try again.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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How is the requirement to purchase health insurance any different than a state requiring you to purchase auto insurance? People do that every day without pooping their diaper in anger. The reasoning behind the requirements is exactly the same.
That's a bad analogy. Car insurance is mainly to protect the public, not the insured; not everyone is forced to buy car insurance; states set the requirements, not the feds. Other differences as well.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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If I drive, I am required to show them my proof of insurance. Some driving jobs are covered by company insurance, which is also required by law.

That's not an answer. Try again.
I also have car insurance. I pay for it to use government roads. I am not forced to do so unless I choose to drive on government roads. I can choose never to drive and I can drive on private property and not have to worry about car insurance. Even if I make the choice to drive on public roads, my employer does not have to pay for it nor can I demand that they buy me comprehensive coverage. A situation where "some driving jobs" are covered by company insurance is also different. First of all, the fact that you say "some" demonstrates an obvious difference - not all do and driving is required by the job in those cases.

As for the answer, you don't have to accept that you're comparing two different things, but you are.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Except that if you accept that argument, you potentially open up a different can of worms.

If someone refuses to lose weight and it causes them to have high blood pressure, why should I pay for their meds? Should I have to pay for their bypass surgery? Or if someone refuses to give up a diet of sugary snacks and has diabetes because of it, should the rest of the insured be on the hook for that ailment?

And before you say that won't happen, take a look at Wholefoods. There was something of a stink a while back when they wanted to give discounts to employees who met their criteria of being healthy. OK not the same thing as health benefits, but a financial incentive (which some claimed was unfair because not everyone is at "fault" who has high BP or diabetes) just the same.
There are employers who have fired employees for smoking.

Private company, their rules. How can anyone argue against it?

If the birth control is prescribed for a medical condition, that's entirely different than taking them for recreational sex.

You might think you'll die if you don't have sex... but believe it or not - you'll live.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Is your employer forced to buy your car insurance?
Why does a employer here have to have anything to do with a employees health care????????????????????????????
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:22 PM
 
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That's a bad analogy. Car insurance is mainly to protect the public, not the insured; not everyone is forced to buy car insurance; states set the requirements, not the feds. Other differences as well.
Health insurance is now being forced because, it appears, that having everyone insured AND receiving a standard of care, overall, protects the public.

Right now, uninsured folks are draining the wallets of the healthcare system and the people who are already electively paying into it.

The sad fact of the matter is, you can call "health insurance" and option all you want and opt out of it, but invariably you will end up in the ER of some hospital receiving care that you cannot pay for. Your expenses end up being paid for by everyone else. The solution to that, without universal health care, is to make sure you have insurance and that you get preventive treatment that stops you from showing up with a catastrophic illness.

In that way, mandated health insurance protects all the citizens.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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Why does a employer here have to have anything to do with a employees health care????????????????????????????
They don't have to - yet. It was something they did as a perk for employees.

The broader question of public versus private health insurance is a bigger topic.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Can anyone see how this debate about contraception or planned parenthood or employers deciding whether to pay for birth control is a problem isolated to the USA in western nations. The only other Countries who have these kind of heated arguments about contraception or women's rights are places like Iran or Syria or Saudie Arabia............. that is quite disturbing considering that America is all about "WE THE PEOPLE" ..... well obviously it isn't about we the people anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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