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A party that speaks of debt and deficits as if they are the disastrous to the nation but won't consider raising taxes on billionaires by one dime, either is not a serious party or a bunch of liars -- or both.
Every one who has looked at the U.S. fiscal situation agrees that even if all discretionary spending is eliminated, there would still be a deficit. That means that no budget reduction measure can be taken without tax increases. Yet the Republican Party has a pledge to Grover not to raise taxes.
Are you really saying that cutting spending isn't part of the answer? I think you are and that shows much of what you believe.
MTA if you want to know what is going on stop reading the Times editorials.
Ryan's plan does not go far enough to pander to the conservative base. He only cuts the budget by 13% more than Obama by 2022. Obama is the one decimating Medicare for the seniors that are currently on it. Ryan's plan does not effect current seniors. Giving the medicare money to the states to spend is not taking away the program. It will make it more efficient. Nothing is less efficient than the federal government. Why can't we use the Ryan plan as a starting point. Let the senate make their changes; increase taxes, cut defense spending and then send it back to the house. That is the way our government used to work.
Now you stop that talking about how our government used to work. Everybody knows that what Harry Reid is doing to change how our government really works is real change. Progs just can't see anything you are talking about since their orders from above don't explain any of that.
When the tax cuts for the wealthy are gone, how much less will your taxes be? Mine will go up because those tax cuts weren't just for the rich as your Dem leaders keep howling.
People have been taking out auto loans since there were autos. My money came from the bank. The bank got it from depositors, just as they have for like... forever.
Besides, even if it came from the government it came from savings, as investors loan money to the government via T-bills and other government securities.
I suggest some reading for you. Your beloved democrat party is COMPLICIT along with all those in power right now with a pattern of allowing financial fraud to continue.
Please read some Matt Taibbi articles (he is a democrat and writes for rolling stone)
Opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one. However, the facts prove otherwise on the Ryan Budget. It's a flim-flam. One only needs to read the facts presented in this thread to realize it.
You are asking lefties to provide specific arguments? They haven't been supplied with them yet.
Then you haven't been paying attention. I've filled this thread with specific arguments.
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
Are you really saying that cutting spending isn't part of the answer? I think you are and that shows much of what you believe.
Note 'part.' It's been established that one can eliminate all discretionary spending and still have a deficit. SO clearly, cutting isn't the whole solution. It must contain tax increases. But the Ryan Plan calls for more tax cuts, which mathematically cannot work.
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
What facts do you refer to?
Read the links that I provided in this thread. I'll save some time.
I'm only to post #30, but I can't wait any longer to reply. (I'm about to fall asleep from actually giving health care today.)
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The premise that Medicare needs preserving as is, is faulty. Because everyone who is not demagoguing the issue acknowledges that Medicare is fraught with fraud and over prescription of treatment, tests and procedures. Yes, Ryan's approach is a departure from medicare as we know it. But, that is a good thing, as the list of reforms proposed by Simpson-Bowles just underscores what a failed system Medicare has become.
Simpspon-Bowles Report, says in part. You can follow this link [SIZE=3]FISCALCOMMISSION.GOV[/SIZE] Medicare Savings 3.3.1 Increase government authority and funding to reduce Medicare fraud. EF's thought:A service reimbursement system will never ring all fraud out of the system. It is too full of holes.
3.3.2 Reform Medicare cost-sharing rules. Hint: folks on Medicare will pay more of their fairshare.
3.3.3 Restrict first-dollar coverage in Medicare supplemental insurance. This means that the real cost of your medigap or Medicare supplement will increase, as it won't be useable from dollar one. In turn this means that Medicare as we know it is going to cost more.
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There is more, if you wish to bone up before commenting further.
From the Ryan Plan. The Roadmap secures Medicare for current beneficiaries, while making common-sense reforms to save this critical program.
It preserves the existing Medicare program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next 10 years (those 55 and older today) - So Americans can receive the benefits they planned for throughout their working lives. For those currently under 55 – as they become Medicare-eligible – it creates a Medicare payment, initially averaging $11,000, to be used to purchase a Medicare certified plan. The payment is adjusted to reflect medical inflation, and pegged to income, with low-income individuals receiving greater support. The plan also provides risk adjustment, so those with greater medical needs receive a higher payment.
The proposal also fully funds Medical Savings Accounts [MSAs] for low-income beneficiaries, while continuing to allow all beneficiaries, regardless of income, to set up tax-free MSAs.
Based on consultation with the Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and using Congressional Budget Office [CBO] these reforms will make Medicare permanently solvent
Modernizes Medicaid and strengthens the health care safety net by reforming high-risk pools, giving States maximum flexibility to tailor Medicaid programs to the specific needs of their populations. Allows Medicaid recipients to take part in the same variety of options and high-quality care available to everyone through the tax credit option.
Any time the term "common sense" is used, I just want to barf. I've seen some real nonsense termed "common sense"! For example the tax credit option for medicaid recipients. Most medicare recipients don't make enough money to even pay income taxes! What a crock!
How many times do I have to answer the same question?
We are still in slow economic times with GDP less than potential GDP. As such, there are lots of people unemployed, not paying taxes but absorbing money from income security programs. It's really that simple.
It is so funny that you would admit that. Obama's media says we are in a booming recovery with millions of new jobs added. If you want to get to the potential GDP, vote for a free market capitalist, not a big government socialist.
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