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Old 03-21-2012, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Nice try. Seniors are not effected by the Ryan proposals.
The new Ryan proposal is so vague that one can't determine that at all.

His budget calls for huge tax cuts, supposedly offset by closing loopholes and ending tax expenditures -- except that he neglects to name a single tax expenditure that he would cut. It assumes drastic cuts in discretionary spending, basically eliminating everything except defense. And over the medium term, of course, it’s a plan to savage the poor while giving big tax breaks to the rich. Of course, the Senate will reject it and if it magically got through the Senate, President Obama would veto it.

But if this is what the GOP calls a serious solution for the nation, let this be a referendum on what it would look like if the GOP controlled the government again.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:24 AM
 
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Still refuses to offer any revenue increase, only cuts. There is no similarity to Simpson-Bowles. He again would assure the demise of Medicare. Nothing new, oh except now they call the "Death Panels", unelected bureaucrats. I guess so they can confuse their minions...apparently it works .. ^^
YES! The death panels!! We ought to bankrupt the health care system to make sure every Terry Shivo that comes along is kept alive indefinitely. There is nothing to negotiate with terrorists. They need only be evicted from office en masse & shut out of real conversations.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The Gop has 30 job growth bills that they passed and sent to harry reid. The bills have not been even looked at by the democrats.
No, the Gas Oil Party has 30 wealthy tax cut and deregulation bills sitting in the Senate trash can where they belong. We have seen a decade or more of those type of proposals. News Flash, they don't work.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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lol, a "balanced budget" that doesn't actually get balanced until 2040. Paul Ryan is a joke.
Obama is the real joke. His budget does not EVEN attempt to balance the budget EVER. And the Senate doesn't even pass a budget. lol
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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lol, a "balanced budget" that doesn't actually get balanced until 2040. Paul Ryan is a joke.
Ah yes, better to have a budget that NEVER gets balanced.

Every journey begins with a single step.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:30 AM
 
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If the democrats in the senate want to add tax increases then why don't they take Ryan's plan and make their own adjustments then send it back to the house. That is the way our government is supposed to work. But Reid will not even consider the bill. Our budget is fine just the way it is, right?
This is the system we get for electing politicians that care more about their jobs than the good of the American people.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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No, the Gas Oil Party has 30 wealthy tax cut and deregulation bills sitting in the Senate trash can where they belong. We have seen a decade or more of those type of proposals. News Flash, they don't work.
Yes, better to complain about what won't work, instead of coming up with something that will.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Obama is the real joke. His budget does not EVEN attempt to balance the budget EVER. And the Senate doesn't even pass a budget. lol
What is the Presidents budget proposal? Got a link? Oh, here it is.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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A party that speaks of debt and deficits as if they are the disastrous to the nation but won't consider raising taxes on billionaires by one dime, either is not a serious party or a bunch of liars -- or both.

Every one who has looked at the U.S. fiscal situation agrees that even if all discretionary spending is eliminated, there would still be a deficit. That means that no budget reduction measure can be taken without tax increases. Yet the Republican Party has a pledge to Grover not to raise taxes.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Representative government provides what voters want. You call heeding to voter's need, "pandering." That's absurd.

Besides, how is lowering taxes on the rich even more and paying for that by slashing programs for everyone else, "saving this country?" That's the opposite of saving this country. We have ten years of experience showing us that cutting taxes on wealth doesn't do anything but further enrich the rich. Why would more be expected to be any different?

The old Ryan Budget claimed to reduce the deficit but only by making exaggerating claims, such as immediately upon passage, unemployment would drop to a point not seen since the Korean War. It also uses magic asterisks forging baseless assumptions. What it did was lower taxes on the rich and shift the cost of government downward, while doing nothing to lower the deficit.

The new Ryan Plan doesn't even state where the tax brackets start and end.

From today's NY Times Editorial:


Oh, and do you really think that the Ryan Budget, which the GOP knows will never get passed the Senate, isn't pandering to the conservative Republican base?
MTA if you want to know what is going on stop reading the Times editorials.
Ryan's plan does not go far enough to pander to the conservative base. He only cuts the budget by 13% more than Obama by 2022. Obama is the one decimating Medicare for the seniors that are currently on it. Ryan's plan does not effect current seniors. Giving the medicare money to the states to spend is not taking away the program. It will make it more efficient. Nothing is less efficient than the federal government. Why can't we use the Ryan plan as a starting point. Let the senate make their changes; increase taxes, cut defense spending and then send it back to the house. That is the way our government used to work.
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