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Old 03-26-2012, 09:39 AM
 
Location: NC
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So, the police (a month ago) knew about this one witness who said Martin attacked zimmerman. They also knew about the five or six people who said zimmerman was on top of Martin.

I guess they just decided to believe what they wanted to believe...

As for your second comment...obviously the 'media' did not ignore this particular witness, or we might never even know about him. The police just released the information...that's why we are hearing about it now, SUPPOSEDLY. It would be great to see the actual written police report and investigation...see if there was any mention of this one lone witness who saw things so differently from the others.

I love how the people who kept saying 'we don't have all the facts' so no one should be on one side or another (while subtly defending zimmerman) now are jumping onto this one lone witness' testimony as if it's gospel...
The physical evidence corroborates with the witness statement....

If there was a physical altercation and Martin was on top with Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help then it establishes that Zimmerman feared for his life.... To continue the fight past a certain point becomes felonious assault and you have a right to defend using deadly force from that.

If you are on the ground and have been mounted by either an assailant or mutual combatant and are being pummeled the odds are good that you're in the clear if you use force, including deadly force, to stop the assault.

The test is whether the assault at that instant in time gives you a reasonable belief that you are about to suffer serious physical injury or death. If the answer is "yes" then the use of force is justified even if it results in the death of your assailant.

Anyone who believes that they have the right to mount a combatant and pummel them with impunity is just flatly wrong. Your right to defense ends when the attack ends; if Martin and Zimmerman got into an altercation irrespective of how it began when Zimmerman was knocked down and not attempting to continue the confrontation "mutual combat" (or any combination of simple assault and battery) was over.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Houston
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They also knew about the five or six people who said zimmerman was on top of Martin.
Link?
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The physical evidence corroborates with the witness statement....

If there was a physical altercation and Martin was on top with Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help then it establishes that Zimmerman feared for his life.... To continue the fight past a certain point becomes felonious assault and you have a right to defend using deadly force from that.

If you are on the ground and have been mounted by either an assailant or mutual combatant and are being pummeled the odds are good that you're in the clear if you use force, including deadly force, to stop the assault.

The test is whether the assault at that instant in time gives you a reasonable belief that you are about to suffer serious physical injury or death. If the answer is "yes" then the use of force is justified even if it results in the death of your assailant.

Anyone who believes that they have the right to mount a combatant and pummel them with impunity is just flatly wrong. Your right to defense ends when the attack ends; if Martin and Zimmerman got into an altercation irrespective of how it began when Zimmerman was knocked down and not attempting to continue the confrontation "mutual combat" (or any combination of simple assault and battery) was over.
Lotta 'IFs' there in your post.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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Lotta 'IFs' there in your post.
The IF's refer to the justification for use of force during a physical altercation in Florida? Comprendo?
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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The physical evidence corroborates with the witness statement....

If there was a physical altercation and Martin was on top with Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help then it establishes that Zimmerman feared for his life.... To continue the fight past a certain point becomes felonious assault and you have a right to defend using deadly force from that.

If you are on the ground and have been mounted by either an assailant or mutual combatant and are being pummeled the odds are good that you're in the clear if you use force, including deadly force, to stop the assault.

The test is whether the assault at that instant in time gives you a reasonable belief that you are about to suffer serious physical injury or death. If the answer is "yes" then the use of force is justified even if it results in the death of your assailant.

Anyone who believes that they have the right to mount a combatant and pummel them with impunity is just flatly wrong. Your right to defense ends when the attack ends; if Martin and Zimmerman got into an altercation irrespective of how it began when Zimmerman was knocked down and not attempting to continue the confrontation "mutual combat" (or any combination of simple assault and battery) was over.
Somehow a 17 year old 100lbs lighter than a 28 year old was whooping that much ass? Either he was a helluva fighter or Zimmerman really really really sucks at picking fights.

I assure you if Martin was 100lbs heavier than Zimmerman, he probably would have waited for the police. Since he realized the kid was much smaller than him, he figured he could handle the situation.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: USA
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people in america love to be ignorant
when an innocent black person gets
killed by a "white" person.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The IF's refer to the justification for use of force during a physical altercation in Florida? Comprendo?
Of course. So the law was written using the names Martin and Zimmerman?
Because, you refer to those two much more often than the generic law.

Get it?
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: NC
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Of course. So the law was written using the names Martin and Zimmerman?
Because, you refer to those two much more often than the generic law.

Get it?
Not worth discussing... just going off the facts that are available... not emotion.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Somehow a 17 year old 100lbs lighter than a 28 year old was whooping that much ass? Either he was a helluva fighter or Zimmerman really really really sucks at picking fights.

I assure you if Martin was 100lbs heavier than Zimmerman, he probably would have waited for the police. Since he realized the kid was much smaller than him, he figured he could handle the situation.
Good chance you are right....Zimmerman appears to be just another coward with a gun...he's killed a lot of good that the stand your ground law did for righteous folks...now the Jackson/Sharpton Travelling Circus of Ignorance is involved.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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The physical evidence corroborates with the witness statement....

If there was a physical altercation and Martin was on top with Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help then it establishes that Zimmerman feared for his life.... To continue the fight past a certain point becomes felonious assault and you have a right to defend using deadly force from that.

If you are on the ground and have been mounted by either an assailant or mutual combatant and are being pummeled the odds are good that you're in the clear if you use force, including deadly force, to stop the assault.

The test is whether the assault at that instant in time gives you a reasonable belief that you are about to suffer serious physical injury or death. If the answer is "yes" then the use of force is justified even if it results in the death of your assailant.

Anyone who believes that they have the right to mount a combatant and pummel them with impunity is just flatly wrong. Your right to defense ends when the attack ends; if Martin and Zimmerman got into an altercation irrespective of how it began when Zimmerman was knocked down and not attempting to continue the confrontation "mutual combat" (or any combination of simple assault and battery) was over.
So Trayvon's defending himself from someone that might have a gun...oh wait he did have a gun...was unacceptable?

Zimmerman had no badge, no uniform, no official vehicle equipped with video. He could have been a serial kidnapper and rapist that buries the corpses of young men in his backyard. That's stuff happens and kids and adults of all ages are told to never allow yourself to be taken anywhere by strangers.

Would you have followed the same course that Zimmerman did starting from the time he called 911?

Why didn't he just ask the kid where he lived while in his vehicle? That doesn't seem odd to you?

These are not rhetorical questions.
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