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And these were REAL judges ... not glorified court clerks.
Give it a rest already. Geez.
These are arrests...that doesn't equal conviction or having a record. I suppose you've missed the information about Zimmerman's past; not many people assault an undercover police officer and get off, but Zimmerman did. And you clearly missed the discussions about how the law can work in small towns...depending upon one's family. Geez...get caught up with info in the threads about this case.
I still can't believe people are siding with some dude who attacked a police officer in the past. It points to his anger issues and lack of regard for attacking someone. A friend of mine was forced to take anger management and the court gave him heck for kicking a door in his own house and it was his first offense, yet this guy attacked a police officer and resisted arrest and the charges were thrown out. I'm sure his JUDGE daddy is working many things behind the scene to get his son off again.
havent done much research on that matter, have ya ?
GZ's family is fearful of revealing what they look like, according to SZ, she has been receiving hate mail...the court will usually oblige an individual if there is a possible threat to one's safety...Not unusual at all....
The people who think Zimmerman's ex-magistrate (i.e. glorified justice of the peace) dad in virginia somehow had magical pull in Florida are beyond crazy.
They're the same types who were so sure the police were part of some conspiracy to protect Zimmerman (which we now know is complete bs).
GZ's family is fearful of revealing what they look like, according to SZ, she has been receiving hate mail...the court will usually oblige an individual if there is a possible threat to one's safety...Not unusual at all....
Apparently there are valid reasons for people to appear in court when they have statements to make or testimony to give. It isn't at all uncommon for families to receive death threats in high profile cases, yet they appear in court.
[quote] But the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office opposes the request, saying it needs the defendant to be physically present in court in order for the judge and prosecutors to evaluate his credibility. That includes looking him in the eye, observing his body language and overall demeanor _ all things that are impossible to do over the telephone. It would also be impossible to verify that the person speaking is actually Santos, prosecutors argue. [end quote]
These are arrests...that doesn't equal conviction or having a record. I suppose you've missed the information about Zimmerman's past; not many people assault an undercover police officer and get off, but Zimmerman did. And you clearly missed the discussions about how the law can work in small towns...depending upon one's family. Geez...get caught up with info in the threads about this case.
Oh get over it.
Even the judge at the bail hearing said that the incident and the end result was a common occurrence.
And Zimmerman's father lived & worked in Virginia ... that's some magical pull a court clerk has in another town in a completely different state.
What evidence does anybody have that Zimmerman "provoked" Trayvon? He told the non-emergency dispatch that he did not know where Trayvon was, and he appeared to follow their suggestion that keeping an eye on him was not necessary. Listen to the audio - his breathing slows down, the wind stops. He clearly stopped running to keep an eye on Trayvon.
So how did he end up between two sets of townhomes? Did Martin hit him so hard that he flew directly over a house? Or did he just continue to pursue Martin?
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Trayvon had a huge head start and was literally seconds from his home. Why then did he hang around for 2 minutes while Zimmerman stayed on the phone with the non-emergency dispatch? That is not the action of a scared helpless kid.
It seems most likely that he just moved into the walkway, stopped there because he was unaware that Zimmerman was following him, and grew (rightly) alarmed when Zimmerman appeared on foot, in the same walkway.
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Again, somebody walk me through this narrative. We now have overwhelming evidence that Zimmerman was brutally attacked, just like he said. We have graphic photo showing gashes and a large contusion, photo from police station showing huge bump on his nose, 2 eyewitnesses who witnessed the beat-down, and the police report. Everything supports Zimmerman. The prosecutor did not show her hand this week, and it's looking increasingly like she was very unethical in the indictment by withholding material evidence
We don't have evidence of any sort of "brutal attack". We do have evidence of a superficial head wound, which is expected in any sort of street fight.
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The *only* possible way that Zimmerman is guilty of anything is if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt he started the physical fight. That is an incredible thing to claim, since he was calmly on the phone with the non-emergency police dispatch for several minutes, and he knew the cops were only a minute away. We know Trayvon had a recent history of violent assault, so it's far within the realm of possibility he would attack Zimmerman to "keep it real."
Martin has no history of causing violence, claiming that he does is simply wrong. It's actually Zimmerman who has the violent history. And the "keep it real" thing is a racial stereotype.
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Again, I'm begging somebody to walk me through what they think happened. Explain how Zimmerman, who told the dispatch he did not know where Trayvon was, was somehow able to hunt Trayvon down. Please also explain why Trayvon did not run out the neighborhood if he was so scared, or just return home? Especially when he had a huge head start and was apparently out of sight? Why didn't he call 911?
Why would you expect someone being chased to calmly call 911, or to allow the person to follow him home? And for that matter, how realistic is it for Zimmerman to actually "lose" anybody in a neighborhood that he knows well, and that has a simple layout? And again, how does Zimmerman end up in the walkway where the shooting occurs, if he isn't trailing Martin?
The people who think Zimmerman's ex-magistrate (i.e. glorified justice of the peace) dad in virginia somehow had magical pull in Florida are beyond crazy.
They're the same types who were so sure the police were part of some conspiracy to protect Zimmerman (which we now know is complete bs).
Really...the only way to disagree is to call someone "beyond crazy?" We've had discussions in the past 4 threads about LE in small towns; it isn't at all unusual to get preferential treatment. A local doctor's son beat a girl so badly that she needed reconstructive surgery on her face, yet he
never spent a night in jail. Try upping the level of discourse if you expect to be taken seriously.
Apparently there are valid reasons for people to appear in court when they have statements to make or testimony to give. It isn't at all uncommon for families to receive death threats in high profile cases, yet they appear in court.
But the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office opposes the request, saying it needs the defendant to be physically present in court in order for the judge and prosecutors to evaluate his credibility. That includes looking him in the eye, observing his body language and overall demeanor _ all things that are impossible to do over the telephone. It would also be impossible to verify that the person speaking is actually Santos, prosecutors argue.
You are quoting one case in a sea of cases and a convicted, deported person calling from Mexico at that...
Prosecutors and Defense Attorney's typically work out a process, such as an officer of the court or as in this hearing a Notary, to physically witness the individual's testimony on the other end of the call...
The judge obviously validated the family's fear and allowed the phone testimony...Now, if this case goes to trial that may be a different story...
What evidence does anybody have that Zimmerman "provoked" Trayvon? He told the non-emergency dispatch that he did not know where Trayvon was, and he appeared to follow their suggestion that keeping an eye on him was not necessary. Listen to the audio - his breathing slows down, the wind stops. He clearly stopped running to keep an eye on Trayvon.
Trayvon had a huge head start and was literally seconds from his home. Why then did he hang around for 2 minutes while Zimmerman stayed on the phone with the non-emergency dispatch? That is not the action of a scared helpless kid.
Again, somebody walk me through this narrative. We now have overwhelming evidence that Zimmerman was brutally attacked, just like he said. We have graphic photo showing gashes and a large contusion, photo from police station showing huge bump on his nose, 2 eyewitnesses who witnessed the beat-down, and the police report. Everything supports Zimmerman. The prosecutor did not show her hand this week, and it's looking increasingly like she was very unethical in the indictment by withholding material evidence.
The *only* possible way that Zimmerman is guilty of anything is if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt he started the physical fight. That is an incredible thing to claim, since he was calmly on the phone with the non-emergency police dispatch for several minutes, and he knew the cops were only a minute away. We know Trayvon had a recent history of violent assault, so it's far within the realm of possibility he would attack Zimmerman to "keep it real."
Again, I'm begging somebody to walk me through what they think happened. Explain how Zimmerman, who told the dispatch he did not know where Trayvon was, was somehow able to hunt Trayvon down. Please also explain why Trayvon did not run out the neighborhood if he was so scared, or just return home? Especially when he had a huge head start and was apparently out of sight? Why didn't he call 911?
Also, explain what you think happened when Zimmerman actually confronted Trayvon. What was Zimmerman thinking, when Trayvon was much physically larger than he is? How did Trayvon end up on top of Zimmerman, pummeling him? Why did the coroner say there was not a scratch on Trayvon? Also, the evidence now shows that the gunshot happened at extremely close range, just like Zimmemran has said. Explain how this fits into the narrative of Zimmerman hunting Trayvon down?
With all of the above in mind, can you really tell me you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not attack Zimmerman just like Zimmerman said he did?
Unless TM was pummeling his hands into the pavement there wouldn't be scratches. The act of holding another person's head and banging it (if indeed that was the case) would not show contusions or scratches. Not to be gross but being an RN and having seen morgue victims that were shot due to beating up on a spouse for example, often do not show contusions on their hands yet some do.
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