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Makes sense though. Security over freedom every time in these countries.
That is the biggest difference between US and Aussie, Canadian and NZ societies, Americans go on about freedoms, we tend to believe in a fair go for all citizen/subjects.
If a politician made a statement about fighting for freedom here our media would hound him for the date he is joining the army.
What greater freedoms do you have in the USA in comparison with Aus or NZ ?
Sometimes pro-citizen means screwing banks. Depending on the candidate.
Screwing bankers is not necessarily the right thing for America.
Where do people get these ideas?
I never said bankers are demons.
Pro-citizens means that you put your own citizens first. And yes, sometimes pro-citizen means screwing banks. But you should screw banks, because you think it will help the citizen of your country. You should not screw banks, because you hate bankers.
Another problem is people who put ideology and their dreams in front of their citizens. One example is the EU and the euro. Instead of listening to what people want, they have instead tried to circumvent democracy.
It will be up to the politicians to tell us how they will improve the country.
That is the biggest difference between US and Aussie, Canadian and NZ societies, Americans go on about freedoms, we tend to believe in a fair go for all citizen/subjects.
If a politician made a statement about fighting for freedom here our media would hound him for the date he is joining the army.
What greater freedoms do you have in the USA in comparison with Aus or NZ ?
Guns, so I can shoot a Maori who decides he wants to go primal on me?
Sounds like New Zealand is similar to the American South.
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Sorry conservatives who are of course religious; would not be comfortable in countries where the majority non-religion is being a heathen who spends Sundays fishing instead of being on our knees.
That is the biggest difference between US and Aussie, Canadian and NZ societies, Americans go on about freedoms, we tend to believe in a fair go for all citizen/subjects.
If a politician made a statement about fighting for freedom here our media would hound him for the date he is joining the army.
What greater freedoms do you have in the USA in comparison with Aus or NZ ?
Kiwis always love to talk about how great New Zealand is and how much better it is than anywhere else in the world, but all live in another country. When you ask why they reply with, "There's no jubs ova thay" or "Ut's too expansive, bru".
Sounds like that "fair-go" has worked out real well for NZ.
Bang on, of course with a population of four million we do not have the advantage of scale that even Australia has.
In the seventies we could have given East Germany lessons in complete socialism, that was all cleared away in 1984 by surprise, a left wing government, example, farm subsidies were dumped over night, harsh ,but it had to be done.
We find with a tax rate of between 30 and 35% people do not put their energy into hiding their income from the tax man and so we get people wanting to earn more and keep the majority of it.
By conservative I mean the loud live by the bible types.
Our immigration at this time works on the principle of do you have skills we need and want, I'm a dual NZ/Aussie national and their immigration is much the same.
Bang on, of course with a population of four million we do not have the advantage of scale that even Australia has.
In the seventies we could have given East Germany lessons in complete socialism, that was all cleared away in 1984 by surprise, a left wing government, example, farm subsidies were dumped over night, harsh ,but it had to be done.
We find with a tax rate of between 30 and 35% people do not put their energy into hiding their income from the tax man and so we get people wanting to earn more and keep the majority of it.
By conservative I mean the loud live by the bible types.
Our immigration at this time works on the principle of do you have skills we need and want, I'm a dual NZ/Aussie national and their immigration is much the same.
When you say 35% are you saying just national income taxes or ALL taxes? Just national income taxes, 35% is fine but in total taxes the rich should pay at least 50% over all. So if the USA made the rich pay 35% income taxes on ALL income including capital gains, that would be fine. Then they can also pay Social Security tax on ALL their income which would add 14% more and Medicare they pay now another 3% and you have a 52% rate for the rich which is what they should pay in my opinion. But most of them in the USA pay little if anything at all.
[quote=Bruin Rick;24318145]When you say 35% are you saying just national income taxes or ALL taxes? Just national income taxes, 35% is fine but in total taxes the rich should pay at least 50% over all. So if the USA made the rich pay 35% income taxes on ALL income including capital gains, that would be fine. Then they can also pay Social Security tax on ALL their income which would add 14% more and Medicare they pay now another 3% and you have a 52% rate for the rich which is what they should pay in my opinion. But most of them in the USA pay little if anything at all.[/quote
It is 35% on all taxable income plus we have a sales tax of 15 %, the 35% is the top figure which kicks in at around $70,000.
Now I like the simplicity of our sales tax and in some ways would like to see all tax raised from it if we could help the poorly paid as it is almost impossible to avoid
Of course taxation comes back to the art of plucking the most feathers with the least amount of hissing.
Like the Aussies,Canucks we believe in what is known as a fair go, any politician arguing that the very wealthy should pay only 15% tax on their investments would be out of parliament like a shot.
Which is why I found the book Whats the matter with Kansas astonishing with the poorly paid arguing the wealthy deserved better tax breaks than them.
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what was his field of study, bogan linguistics ?
