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Old 06-11-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
It has always been between one man and one woman.

Sorry.
Wrong.
It has been between one man and several women. Still is in some cultures.
It has been between one man and one woman of the same race.
It has been between one man and one woman of the same religion.
It has been between one man and one man. Ancient China (Fujian Provence), Egypt (Swia), Rome.

In medieval France there was a ceremony called affrèrement. A union that legalized two males in the same way of opposite sexed couples.

In America there is a long tradition of same sex marriages in Native American tribes. The two spirit people.

Marriage in several countries, and several U S states is currently between any two, consenting, non related adults.

 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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Marriage is between one man and one woman, regardless of race, religion and ethnicity.

Changing the definition of marriage is NOT a "right".
Read my post again.

Marriage is a right. Period. Though I notice you don't bother correcting those who falsely claim such, instead whining about posts (such as mine) which correct them. And given that, the onus is on the government to justify why it should not allow certain marriages between certain pairings of consenting adults. Lately, the government is largely failing to do so.

Many marriages, such as mine, are between a man and a woman. And hundreds of thousands of marriages in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, California, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York and the District of Columbia are between two men and two women, respectively.

The fact that you don't like this doesn't mean those same-sex couples aren't married.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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Read my post again.

Marriage is a right. Period. Though I notice you don't bother correcting those who falsely claim such, instead whining about posts (such as mine) which correct them. And given that, the onus is on the government to justify why it should not allow certain marriages between certain pairings of consenting adults. Lately, the government is largely failing to do so.

Many marriages, such as mine, are between a man and a woman. And hundreds of thousands of marriages in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, California, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York and the District of Columbia are between two men and two women, respectively.

The fact that you don't like this doesn't mean those same-sex couples aren't married.
Same sex marriage is not a "right". and there are NOT "hundreds of thousands" of same sex marriages.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Same sex marriage is not a "right". and there are NOT "hundreds of thousands" of same sex marriages.
Marriage is a right and the fact that it is being denied to homosexuals across the US is unconstitutional and goes against the 14th amendment.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Marriage is a right and the fact that it is being denied to homosexuals across the US is unconstitutional and goes against the 14th amendment.
Gays marrying are not being discriminated against. In fact, many gays marry legally.

Same sex marriage is not a "right".

Suppose we change it, and two straight men wish to marry for health benefits reasons. What now?

How do you prove that you're gay?

This is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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Marriage is a right and the fact that it is being denied to homosexuals across the US is unconstitutional and goes against the 14th amendment.
You don't understand the Constitution.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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You don't understand the Constitution.
I understand it more than someone who wants to deny a group of people equal rights and liberties provided to them under said document.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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I understand it more than someone who wants to deny a group of people equal rights and liberties provided to them under said document.
If the 14th REALLY protected changing the definition of marriage, it would be the law of the land.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Gays marrying are not being discriminated against. In fact, many gays marry legally.
They can't marry the person they love - that being of the same sex - legally. That's discrimination and is against the 14th Amendment.

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Same sex marriage is not a "right".
Yes it is. It's being denied thus goes against the 14th amendment. We just went over this.

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Suppose we change it, and two straight men wish to marry for health benefits reasons. What now?
Right back at you - a drunken man and woman get married at a 5 minute drive-thru marriage place in Las Vegas because they're drunk. What now?

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How do you prove that you're gay?
How do you prove that you're straight?

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This is just the tip of the iceberg.
So?
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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If the 14th REALLY protected changing the definition of marriage, it would be the law of the land.
It protects people from being discriminated against - which apparently you're blind to if you don't realize that denying homosexuals the right to marry each other is discrimination.

You don't like homosexuals, therefore you feel you have the right to deny them the ability to get married to one another. Stop pushing your agenda onto other people and realize that you're going against the 14th amendment with your actions.
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