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Old 05-26-2012, 07:30 PM
 
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Answer: African immigrants don't come from a culture rooted in and shaped by American slavery. Also the immigrant spirit.

No, instead of coming from slavery that ended almost two hundred years ago they are coming from COLONIALISM that ended fifty or so years ago.

It was no picnic for Africans in Africa:

Congo Free State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And if slavery about two hundred years is why blacks are the way they are, then why oh why aren't Jews running in gangs and smoking crack and having children out of wedlock?

Oh, I forgot, the 20th Century was a good to them

 
Old 05-26-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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No, instead of coming from slavery that ended almost two hundred years ago they are coming from COLONIALISM that ended fifty or so years ago.

It was no picnic for Africans in Africa:

Congo Free State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And if slavery about two hundred years is why blacks are the way they are, then why oh why aren't Jews running in gangs and smoking crack and having children out of wedlock?

Oh, I forgot, the 20th Century was a good to them
You know that and I know that but certain people here on CD don't see it that way.
 
Old 05-26-2012, 07:35 PM
 
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So again I ask, what actions have you taken to change the current condition of lower class Black Americans? Talk is dirt cheap victorianpunk....what are you doing to make a change?
I grew up half black in the ghetto...and I never got anyone pregnant, never joined a gang, never did an illegal drug in my life (I can't get past the nasty smell of marijuana) have some college education and have a decent job. In other words, I "escaped" the ghetto.

Now, my question is this: if I could do it, why the hell can't they? Those ghetto slime balls need no further help than they already have. So, let me ask you this, Calipoppy: What is so different from me and the other ghetto people of color that I got out and they didn't?...

And please, don't dare say it is because I'm half white. I have heard racialists say the same thing and I can't stand it. I know several dark skinned Africans from the motherland who are indeed my intellectual superiors.
 
Old 05-26-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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No, instead of coming from slavery that ended almost two hundred years ago they are coming from COLONIALISM that ended fifty or so years ago.

It was no picnic for Africans in Africa:

Congo Free State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And if slavery about two hundred years is why blacks are the way they are, then why oh why aren't Jews running in gangs and smoking crack and having children out of wedlock?

Oh, I forgot, the 20th Century was a good to them
I don't recall any laws forbidding Jews from voting or holding political office. In fact many Jews changed their names and in some cases suppressed their Jewish heritage to evade any possible prejudice they faced in America, something that was just not possible for most Black Americans.
 
Old 05-26-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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....in this country. There is that (or a similar) sentinment in their own country, however.

The big difference is that they see this country as a place where everyone has told them "there is opportunity"!! So they coyuld here EXPECTING THAT!!

Our children are told by Al Sharpton and others that you will always need the government....that you can't make it because some white person will block your way.....

Thus any setback is blamed on race or class.

Africans are just glad to be here!!
 
Old 05-26-2012, 08:07 PM
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Edward A,I see you love bashing black americans,but what IS your solution?
What do you think they can do? Waiting...

To the blacks who aren't American born,I have news for you. Whites don't necessarily like you either. As a nurse I have heard it all and saw it all. The whites used to say "those ..... are so stupid." Most were Cna 's who were form the Caribbean and Africa. They don't love you like you think they do. They are using you guys like a buffer zone.

To be fair,I hear Africans and Carribeans who say they don't like whites. One even talks about them all the time to me. Some were cheering when Mugabe too the farms of whites in Zimbabwe.

To the OP: Since when is Muhammed a regular sounding name in America?
Also,if africans have so much cultural pride,then why do they change their names to a more american sounding name once here? The Indian nurses that I know still keep their names are still successful,so what gives?
 
Old 05-26-2012, 08:08 PM
 
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No, instead of coming from slavery that ended almost two hundred years ago they are coming from COLONIALISM that ended fifty or so years ago.

It was no picnic for Africans in Africa:

Congo Free State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And if slavery about two hundred years is why blacks are the way they are, then why oh why aren't Jews running in gangs and smoking crack and having children out of wedlock?

Oh, I forgot, the 20th Century was a good to them
It wasn't a picnic for Africans, and it isn't one now. The difference is that The Congo is its own nation. They still have a sense of themselves. What colonialism couldn't do to Congolese people, slavery did to Black Americans. It extinguished everything from them, and they had to create a whole new culture.

Jews also have their Jewish faith to lean on. Jews also have their own nation.


As I have told you, and has other people have mentioned, what Africans have gone through has been different from what Black Americans have gone through. Jews and Africans haven't had their cultures and sense of being extinguished from them. Black Americans have been extinguished of everything.
 
Old 05-26-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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I don't get it? Please. You AND OP don't seem to get it. My message to the OP was to stop blaming black america for your issues and realize that if all black people started pulling 4.0s in school and were the top wage earners, it still isn't enough.
Do research how hard it was for the Chinese when they first came to America. Now, years later, they are doing well for themselves while blacks still linger in the ghetto.

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You're OK with being followed around because some knuckleheads across the street decided to steal? Great! Once you sign this consent form i'll send my guys to follow you around just because I feel like it.
quick story:
I was once in a men's clothing story and a cashier's assistant type-person, a rather chubby fellow in a poorly fitting suit, followed me throughout the establishment. I turned to the man and said, "excuse me sir, if you would be so kind as to point me towards the milliner's corner."
The attendant blinked and asked "the what?"
I raised an eyebrow in a manner reminiscent of Mr. Spock and said "the, milliner, if you please."
The attendant looked baffled. He asked "what's a milliner?"
I sighed and rolled my eyes. "Indeed, the intricacies of the English language have fallen to the wayside in this age, now haven't they? A milliner is one who makes hats. Now sir, where may a patron such as myself find the corner dedicated to the sale of head wear?"
The man looked like he wanted to curse me out, but he just pointed to the other side of the store. He stopped following me, I ended up not buying a hat but buying a few dress shirts and some suspenders, laughing all the way.

Now THAT is the way to deal with ignorant, pompous bigots: MAKE THEM FEEL STUPID.

But, I forgot I should have handled the manner like a "down 4 life thug" and shouted at the top of my lungs about "bustin' caps" and "throwin' down" and the what not.

If more blacks responded to being followed by turning, grinning, and asking "is there something amiss?" things would start to change.

And no, I did not learn proper-to-the-point-of-being-antiquated English at a private school or even any school. I just took it upon myself to read and look up unfamiliar and beautiful sounding words. If only more black youngsters spent more time in the FREE library and less time engaging in criminal activity with their uncouth chums, than perhaps said black youths would advance socially.

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You seem to think that you can change the stereotype of everyone out there. Guess what? You can't. There are people who will never, ever like someone just because they are black and they had poor experiences (or not) with other blacks before. It's not black america's fault, it's not obamas fault. There are high performing, moral blacks out there-law abiding doctors, lawyers, educators etc. Why can't these folks be the stereotype of the black community? Why is it gangsters and rappers?
All I see from your post is the express permission for individuals to judge you based on the performance of your peers. I say to hell w/ that nonsense.
Indeed, I cannot, by my own proper English, work ethic, and attitude change society's perception of American's of distant African descent. But guess what? I also cannot single-handedly save the environment, does that mean I should refrain from recycling?

If we all did our part we could prove to the world that black Americans and their related groups (like those of us of mixed race) can be just as civilized as anyone else. Instead, so many use the poor image of black America as an excuse to reinforce said poor image, and not a challenge to defy it.

I actually enjoy the way in which so many in white America consider me to be nothing: after all, where would we be in life without smaller people to prove wrong?

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So you want me to work 3x as hard for 1/2 of the result based on a preconceived notion? That's dumb. Would you be ok if I charged you extra for food based on the fact that people of your ethnic background shoplift the most from my store? Would you be ok if this amount varied month to month based on projected thefts of your people?
You are not required to do anything but pay your taxes and die. I, however, will work harder than most and be thankful that in America, it is possible for people of color to achieve greatness if they are willing to work for it, as the success of Nigerian Americans proves.
 
Old 05-26-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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I grew up half black in the ghetto...and I never got anyone pregnant, never joined a gang, never did an illegal drug in my life (I can't get past the nasty smell of marijuana) have some college education and have a decent job. In other words, I "escaped" the ghetto.

Now, my question is this: if I could do it, why the hell can't they? Those ghetto slime balls need no further help than they already have. So, let me ask you this, Calipoppy: What is so different from me and the other ghetto people of color that I got out and they didn't?...
You tell us. Did you have particularly strong parental guidance? It can be hard to avoid involvement with gangs if they threaten you and want to use you in some way. Congrats for pulling it off, care to share how you did it? Do you go back and speak to young people where you're from to provide a role model?
 
Old 05-26-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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Do research how hard it was for the Chinese when they first came to America. Now, years later, they are doing well for themselves while blacks still linger in the ghetto.
I can't emphasize this enough. Immigrants have a different mentality from people who were forced to be hear,who were extinguished of every part of their culture. It is comparing apples to oranges. I'm not excusing such problems. I'm saying any culture that is dysfunctional has its roots somewhere. It doesn't just come out of no where. Better yet, what is with Appalachia?
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