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Old 07-04-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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Just curious. Do you use the health system at all? Do you plan to ever?
First it's not about health. American "health" care system is an Oxymoron.

Have i needed repair from a cut or broken bone, yes.

There is a big difference. If i could have bought sutures i would have stitched myself. Now you can get them on the internet and keep them on hand.

Most of our system is set up for mentally unstable people that need pain killers, depression meds, or diabetes meds, or heart disease due to over eating and lack of moving their bodies.

The doctors have not been about health. They are drug pushers for the most part, and assembly line pacifiers for a broken society of stupid people, that don't know their bodies or what health is about.

The treatment centers are not overloaded with injuries or inherent physical disease, they are filled with the bad choices of people that don't want to feel the consequence of their actions.

 
Old 07-04-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: California
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Default In 2010, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance

Well I think it's more that folks don't use the healthcare system we have, the homeless have mental problems and don't go to clinics for care and they die, the same with many people, it's more of a matter of just not using what we have not a lack of health insurance.
 
Old 07-04-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Health Insurance Scams are a booming business!


Phony health coverage


then sue the health insurance company. dont ask uncle sugar for a handout.
I sued my health insurance and got it settled out of court.
 
Old 07-04-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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then sue the health insurance company. dont ask uncle sugar for a handout.
I sued my health insurance and got it settled out of court.


There is so much fraud in health insurance companies these days, as you indicated, our courts will be overflowing.

Federal investigators have revealed that the largest health insurance company in the country, WellPoint, is committing fraud.

In fact, all health insurance companies do at best is skim $$$$$$ to enrich a few "middle men."
 
Old 07-04-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
I know a lot of people die with health insurance.. that isn't the cure.
I agree. Health insurance companies do everything they can to prevent paying for medical expenses and this has led to the deaths of many people!

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Health insurance companies have ended up providing inferior health care while misrepresenting their bottom line to stockholders.
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In order to improve their bottom lines, health insurance companies have enacted policies in the past that were not based on their clients’ best medical interests. Such policies include the offering of financial incentives to physicians for not recommending specialists to patients. To make matters worse, cases of the patient’s health suffering because of poor policies were typically won by the insurance companies because of an act called ERISA. ERISA outlined measures to help insurance companies keep health care costs down. Under ERISA a health insurance company was not required to disclose any incentive policies even those that affected a patient’s health.
NewsWire - Is Your Health Insurance Company Committing Fraud
 
Old 07-04-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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The problem is that people want their cake, and eat it too.

The American people eat like crap, do horrible things to their bodies, and then want someone to fix it.

It clearly is the largest problem in our "system".

How else could it be, when you look at the over sugared processed food that is being hypnotically suggested to young children, creating habitual abuse in them as adults.

AMERICA IS FAT and IT CAN'T GET UP>>>>>>
AMERICA IS DEPRESSED and THINKS A PILL CAN MAKE THEM HAPPY>>>>>>>
AMERICA IS LAZY and FILLED WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND CONSEQUENCES>>>>>>>

No one can design a health care system around STUPID!
 
Old 07-04-2012, 10:55 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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There is nothing barring anyone from obtaining health care coverage. It is a matter of choice for most people. Some people would rather have cable TV than health insurance.
Eh. False choice. Health insurance is (for many) much more expensive than cable TV.
 
Old 07-04-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: California
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The GOP darling (Reagan) of your state is the one who is responsible for that system.
Oh thank you for the insight. I guess that makes it all good? Actually no it doesn't. But there is a hell of a lot more to that law. Jojajn, let me give you a quick scenario, The captain of the an ambulance company finally had call the GOVT because the ambulance drivers had to sit in the lobby at the ER for hours at a times

One man had a massive heart attack right there in the lobby while the ems tech tried to code him.

Another man brougt in same ER after an hour of waiting he seized on the stretch and died. He hand an aneurysm.That law is very clear that when an ambulance brings a patient in, yes they must be treated, BUT that patient MUST be examined by a Registered Nurse (triage nurse) as soon as they enter the hospital grounds. The initial triage is called a MSE. (medical screening exam)

Ok after i did a 4 month investigation, I found that the hospital was infact letting patients stay with EMS until they get a bed. The hospital believed that until an RN did an exam then they weren't responsible.

The hospitals excuses were "a nurse called in sick, or no beds in the hospital for new patient. Those reasons as good as they sound I could not find that in the law. What I mean is no where in the law does it say: if nurse trixie calls in sick then don't worry about the patient. I am sure you will get to them sooner or later.

This facility was fined 80K for each of the 8 cases I investigated. All the patients had insurance btw.
The one patient who I stated had a massive heart attack had a 99% blockage or the RCA, and 88K of the LAD. This patient had been giving all info known to medicine to have a clean healthy heart in the past.
 
Old 07-04-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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Please show me research data that demonstrates a correlation between not paying insurance premiums and death.
 
Old 07-04-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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so if your son or elderly parent gets cancer, your empathy shall be returned.
Bless your heart
Will this be because they have NO insurance.......... I'd suggest the same in your last line, but something tells me your a Tin Man as in the Wizard of OZ!!!!

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