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Old 07-16-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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If the government is responsible for the success of a company then it is also responsible for the failure of a company.

This is a two way street, boys, hope you've thought this through.

 
Old 07-16-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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While technically true, the speech does nothing other than to try to inject a collectivist mindset into the American psyche. Since promoting collectivism has always been anti-American, it's safe to assume the thesis for his speech was anti-American. But then again, it's Obama speaking so...
 
Old 07-16-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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While technically true, the speech does nothing other than to try to inject a collectivist mindset into the American psyche.
I think we have passed the realm of technical truth with this one.

The internet was created by the government, so companies could make money on the internet? Really?

I agree with your sentiments though - the most troubling is the underlying message.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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Wait, so if you don't own a business, did someone else make that happen too? I mean, you relied on an employer for a job, to which you drove on publicly funded roads, etc etc.

Hell, sounds like those greedy non business owners should be paying more if anything.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The internet was created by the government, so companies could make money on the internet? Really?
You're right. The internet was never envisioned by the innovators as a way of making money. But, I was also speaking about the interstate system for trucking. While the interstate system was initially meant for easier military vehicle movement, it had to have been realized at its inception that it would facilitate interstate trade a lot easier than the US highway system.

As more and more people opt to become wage slaves than owning a small business (life's a lot easier when you can just turn off the creative side of your brain and just accept a paycheck every other week), this mentality will unfortunately sink in too well with these people. I'm always reminded that the free market is more powerful than any government influence, but recent events force me to question that supposed axiom at times.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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Yes Obama, there are a lot of people out there working hard and while some do succeed and others fail, there are also those who actually do work harder than others to get to where they are. But what would you know about that? You want everything to be "equal". And we all know while yes you are POTUS, just what the hell did you do that was so great in your life? What the hell were your accomplishments besides community organizing (aka telling others how they should run things, etc)? Youve done jack squat.

sorry for the italics, its locked for some reason
He is not just a community organizer, we've recently learned that he is also a story teller
 
Old 07-16-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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With all due respect, Mr. President, F*** YOU.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.

True or False?

There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.

True or False?

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.

True or False?

Somebody invested in roads and bridges.

True or False?

The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

True or False?

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

True or False?
I was wondering when some lib was going to start making the roads and bridges argument. You must be slipping up, you forgot to mention Teflon and Tang.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You must be slipping up, you forgot to mention Teflon and Tang.
Teflon, Tang, Police and Firefighters...oh my!

Good one OICU.
 
Old 07-16-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: In Transition
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You (among others) have a very backwards way of thinking how countries operate. Countries don't just start off with roads, rails, postal systems, school systems, armies, financial institutions, universities, etc. They are built and maintained over many generations. Everyone one has contributed through some form of tax or through force (slavery), of course more than others, and the result of this "collectiveness" is America folks. You folks are so blinded by hate for Obama and liberals that you forgot how America was built. There is nothing socialist or communist about this notion unless you want to twist it that way.

Everybody has the means to the pursuit of happiness. Just because you are an intelligent individual who owns business doesn't you did all by yourself. It is literally impossible to do it all by yourself. From the roads that were built and maintained from people past and present, from the men and woman who protect your freedom past and present, from the education system that has given this country and the world tremendous technology.

Plain and simple there is a reason why you have so much freedom and are able to achieve the things you can.
You (among) others don't understand that the society that we THE PEOPLE decided to build this infrastructure for our benefit, not to be beholden to it beyond what we already do by paying taxes.

And I will keep repeating, focus on this statement:

"If you got a business, you didn't build that. Someone else made that happen."

Uh no Mr. President, the business owner him/her self made that happen by collecting from a commonly agreed upon pool of resources and made something new from that. They really did. NOT the infrastructure that supported the environment to make it happen. Explaining this concept to libs is like trying to explain the color red to blind people.

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