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I suggest looking at the crime statistics. In spite of massive public and private expenditures on police and crime prevention this country has a huge crime problem. This country also has a huge drug problem. If we disarm citizens the criminal would then have no restriction. Legally the police are not responsible for your individual safety. Only you are responsible. I suggest we first try to eliminate the crime and drug problem.
You sure about that? They just emptied 7 FL prisons last year and claim violent crime has been on the downswing. Couldn't be anything to do with that 10-20-Life firearm minimum mandatory sentencing could it? I thought you gun folk said cracking down on firearms doesn't work.
It's simple, who says you have to go retrieve them? Minimum Mandatory 50 years if you get caught with one outside your front door. It may take 200 more years to get rid of em, but they'll go away eventually.
I am not sure if you are being facetious, but do you think it is a good idea to sentence people to longer sentences for mere possession of a firearm than for the average sentence for murder?
That is a good way of saying, "If you are carrying a gun and a cop finds it, might as well kill him since your life is virtually over anyways."
That's the problem with you people, everything is a conspiracy, a coverup...a lie. That's why having an intelligent conversation and working on serious issues like this is next to impossible, the GOP is filled to the brim with puffed up, hyperbolic children who present a false argument to attack. In the meantime little kids get gutted all across our country. Congratulations.
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Not as much as you apparently enjoy watching our kids get shot about once a week.
name one time when a criminal decided that because they couldnt own a firearm, that they chose not to commit a crime.
I am not sure if you are being facetious, but do you think it is a good idea to sentence people to longer sentences for mere possession of a firearm than for the average sentence for murder?
That is a good way of saying, "If you are carrying a gun and a cop finds it, might as well kill him since your life is virtually over anyways."
Very good point and some have attributed this harsh sentencing to more cop killings in my state recently. The criminals know they are going away for a long time anyhow, so they take on a nothing to lose mentally and kill. Same logic, sadly, applies to some of the hit and runs as well. Drunk people are fleeing after hitting pedestians, knowing darn well if they stop and render assistance it's going to result in a long prison term; so they take their chances and flee hoping no one saw them.
In reality, Im slighly left leaning when it comes to guns, but if it wasn't that big of a deal to some people, I'd like to see them gone. I don't know anyhting about purchasing firearms, but based on what I've read about the joker is he was seeing a psychiatrist and purchased his weapons with a 20 minute background check? Shouldn't he have disclosed that on his paperwork? Is there a criminal charge for obtaining a gun by fraud or deception? Should be. I don't think it's right, and I've seen folks here say they do it...selling guns at the yard sale or privately either. How do you know who is mentally stable and their history.
In reality, Im slighly left leaning when it comes to guns, but if it wasn't that big of a deal to some people, I'd like to see them gone. I don't know anyhting about purchasing firearms, but based on what I've read about the joker is he was seeing a psychiatrist and purchased his weapons with a 20 minute background check? Shouldn't he have disclosed that on his paperwork? Is there a criminal charge for obtaining a gun by fraud or deception? Should be. I don't think it's right, and I've seen folks here say they do it...selling guns at the yard sale or privately either. How do you know who is mentally stable and their history.
People see psychiatrists all the time. There is a difference between seeing one because you have manic episodes that sometimes causes you to become violent or because your rage is building up and you starting to desire that everyone experiences the pain that you are AND then there is seeing a shrink because you have mother issues or have trouble talking to woman (which is usually caused by those same mother issues).
The ONLY way to get firearms off the streets, is to institute some sort of "martial law." Then, send the police and military into people's homes, without warrants, search them, and recover ALL firearms. Doesn't matter if they were legally or illegally obtained..
Okay, let's do that then. A few hotheads will try to contest it but they'll get turned into swiss cheese so two birds with one stone in those cases. The rest have such a daddy-issue chub for police and military they'll gladly give 'em up. Criminals carrying the rest aren't exactly storing their heaters in cosmoline so natural wear and tear will do the rest, along with good ol' fashioned police work.
With the wake of Aurora in our minds, why not just ban guns? Guns kill people, right? So lets just ban them, so no one else will die, by their hands.
Or is it that simple? What do we do with the MILLIONS of guns, already legally possessed by people? Kick in their doors and confiscate them? Send the police (brown shirts) into peoples homes and businesses, and forcibly take their firearms from them?
What about the MILLIONS, and I do mean MILLIONS of firearms, which aren't registered to anyone? What about the MILLIONS of firearms which WERE registered, which have been sold, transferred, etc to other persons and their is no record of this? What do we do now?
Background checks, waiting periods, etc I am all for. I have no problems with them. Of course, a waiting period and background check would not have stopped the moron in Aurora from getting his firearms. So, I am asking the liberal anti gun crowd:
What would you do? What is it you want?
The ONLY way to get firearms off the streets, is to institute some sort of "martial law." Then, send the police and military into people's homes, without warrants, search them, and recover ALL firearms. Doesn't matter if they were legally or illegally obtained. Without confiscating these firearms, "gun control" is a worthless idea; all meant to make some liberals "feel good."
My firearms will be in my locked safe. They will last longer then ANY of us on this board will be alive. HUNDREDS of years. So ban them. Ok. Mine and MILLIONS of others will be still be here. What are you going to do with the millions already in the United States? Say, well, "Ok. At least we are doing something?" Again, so you can "feel good?"
"Gun Control" is another liberal lie, for GUN BANNING. At least you liberals should be honest and tell the US and world the truth. You don't want "control." You want to ban the private ownership of firearms. THAT is your goal. Plain and simple.
My question is what happiness does owning a hand gun or automatic rifle give any of you people? Why would you want to own something that has only one purpose and that is to kill other humans?
One of my friends bought a hand gun a few years ago. He brought me out to his car to show me (I didn't know what he wanted to show me of course). He picked it up out of his center compartment in his car and dangled it laughing, as though he had bought something to be proud of.
I told him exactly what described him. That he's GHETTO! Because that is exactly what owning a weapon like that is.
Well op, if you wish to be ghetto as well then so be it. You may still legally be so for the time being.
With the wake of Aurora in our minds, why not just ban guns? Guns kill people, right? So lets just ban them, so no one else will die, by their hands.
Or is it that simple? What do we do with the MILLIONS of guns, already legally possessed by people? Kick in their doors and confiscate them? Send the police (brown shirts) into peoples homes and businesses, and forcibly take their firearms from them?
Pro Gun Control
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"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
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"If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things."
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933
Pro 2ND Amendment
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"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams
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"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." George Washington
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"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry
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"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferson
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No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson
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"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … " Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
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"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." Thomas Jefferson
Though written by an unknown author .. one of my personal favorites:
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"An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject." Anon.
And so: Any man or woman, cop or thief, judge or politician who wish to come to my home to take away my right to bear arms .. Don't trouble yourself by knocking!
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