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There is no middle ground where the guv is concerned.
Bull crap.
Alcohol, perfect example.
Americans of all ages drank pre prohibition. Many Americans wanted the outright ban for "moral reasons". Mainly brought about by the fact that women won the right to vote, alcohol was banned, outright.
Drinking levels went up. This was a "all or nothing" solution.
But the compromise, when FDR came to power was a legal drinking age, as well as restrictions on where you could buy, how much you could buy, and whom could buy alcohol.
That is middle ground, and American political history is full of it.
once you take away the legally owned guns, you have illegal ones, in the hands of criminals. How do you propose to deal with them, since now only they and the police are armed?
What do you take away next? Cars? Gas? Fertilizer? Baseball bats? Crowbars?
Hey, here's an idea, take away the super soakers, they can be filled with alkali or acid!
It's not guns that are the problem, it's people.. Your only solution is to take away the people...
This is true, but do we need 100 round clips and body piercing ammunition?
you want to eliminate body piercing ammunition? kind of hard for the ammo to do its job if it doesnt pierce the body don you think?
ok i know you meant to say body armor piercing, but what happens when the bad guy decides to wear body armor? remember the shoot out in LA where the bad guys robbed a bank while wearing body armor and carrying full auto weapons? the cops had to get their hand on rifles and better ammo to ultimately take the bad guys down.
but again, its not the ammunition we need to worry about, or the guns themselves, its the people that wield those guns. criminals dont care about anyone but themselves, and they are cowards otherwise they would get real jobs and work for a living.
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We can still have guns for personal protection, without giving lunatics the means of killing mass amounts of people at the same time.
how is limiting the number of rounds a magazine can hold going to limit anyone from killing large numbers of people?
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If this lunatics gun didn't jam, it would have been significantly worse.
or if he had bought a quality high capacity magazine, or if he had brought a second AR15 instead of a shotgun.
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There is a middle ground where those who want guns for protection can still get them, and where we don't hand a child a hand grenade.
do you really think that someone who is not allowed to own firearms, or any other weapon, is somehow not going to get them? ever hear of the black market? or the internet? yes you can ban grenades to non military or para military people, but how hard is it to look up "how to make bombs in your spare time with simple items you have in your kitchen" on the internet?
my point is that if someone is motivated enough, they will find a way to get the weapons they want to commit the crimes they are planning.
you want to eliminate body piercing ammunition? kind of hard for the ammo to do its job if it doesnt pierce the body don you think?
ok i know you meant to say body armor piercing, but what happens when the bad guy decides to wear body armor? remember the shoot out in LA where the bad guys robbed a bank while wearing body armor and carrying full auto weapons? the cops had to get their hand on rifles and better ammo to ultimately take the bad guys down.
but again, its not the ammunition we need to worry about, or the guns themselves, its the people that wield those guns. criminals dont care about anyone but themselves, and they are cowards otherwise they would get real jobs and work for a living.
how is limiting the number of rounds a magazine can hold going to limit anyone from killing large numbers of people?
or if he had bought a quality high capacity magazine, or if he had brought a second AR15 instead of a shotgun.
do you really think that someone who is not allowed to own firearms, or any other weapon, is somehow not going to get them? ever hear of the black market? or the internet? yes you can ban grenades to non military or para military people, but how hard is it to look up "how to make bombs in your spare time with simple items you have in your kitchen" on the internet?
my point is that if someone is motivated enough, they will find a way to get the weapons they want to commit the crimes they are planning.
Ok, my son was talking to me and the brain didn't relate to the fingers what to type well. Simple mistake, I think you understand that I'm talking about body armor piercing ammunition
And lowering the amount of ammunition you can put through a gun at one time makes it much harder for lunatics to kill massive amounts of people.
Responsible gun owners reload when you run out, no more then 5 or 6 shots at a time. Crazy people want 100 round clips to empty them into crowds of people.
Ok, my son was talking to me and the brain didn't relate to the fingers what to type well. Simple mistake, I think you understand that I'm talking about body armor piercing ammunition
yeah i knew that, i just had to get a little dig in at you.
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And lowering the amount of ammunition you can put through a gun at one time makes it much harder for lunatics to kill massive amounts of people.
Responsible gun owners reload when you run out, no more then 5 or 6 shots at a time. Crazy people want 100 round clips to empty them into crowds of people.
here is the problem though. lets say you can get it to the point where no one has magazines with more than ten round capacity. what does that mean to the criminal? in actuality nothing. why? lets say that i decided one day that i wanted to kill a bunch of people, it doesnt matter what, i just do. but every gun store i go to says that i can only get magazines with a ten round limit. my thought then switches to, how many guns of the same caliber can i carry at one time? lets say i can carry ten colt 1911s each holding 11 rounds of ammunition(ten in the magazine plus one in the chamber). that gives me 110 rounds of ammunition with which to do my dirty deed. now i just need to carry these guns in such a manner that i can draw each one quickly while firing another one, remember i have two hands. so i start shooting with one gun, while drawing the second, and while firing the second gun, the first runs dry so i draw the third, and so on until i ultimately run out of ammunition.
or lets say i have some mad machinist skills, and while the AR15 i bought from the gun store only has a ten round magazine, what is stopping me from making my own 100 round magazine? remember that i am already going to commit the crime of murder, what do i care if i also get charged with owning an illegal high capacity magazine?
here is the problem though. lets say you can get it to the point where no one has magazines with more than ten round capacity. what does that mean to the criminal? in actuality nothing. why? lets say that i decided one day that i wanted to kill a bunch of people, it doesnt matter what, i just do. but every gun store i go to says that i can only get magazines with a ten round limit. my thought then switches to, how many guns of the same caliber can i carry at one time? lets say i can carry ten colt 1911s each holding 11 rounds of ammunition(ten in the magazine plus one in the chamber). that gives me 110 rounds of ammunition with which to do my dirty deed. now i just need to carry these guns in such a manner that i can draw each one quickly while firing another one, remember i have two hands. so i start shooting with one gun, while drawing the second, and while firing the second gun, the first runs dry so i draw the third, and so on until i ultimately run out of ammunition.
or lets say i have some mad machinist skills, and while the AR15 i bought from the gun store only has a ten round magazine, what is stopping me from making my own 100 round magazine? remember that i am already going to commit the crime of murder, what do i care if i also get charged with owning an illegal high capacity magazine?
No, you can buy 100 round clips at the gun store down the road.
It means 5 second reload times, which is an eternity and allows more people to get away.
You can never prevent this type of violence, but you can restrict how much carnage per incident there is.
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"I don't believe that people should be able to own guns." -Barak Obama
as quoted to John R. Lott, Jr., PhD, while both were working at the University of Chicago Law School in 1996. From the book "Debacle", by Grover G. Norquist and John R Lott, Jr., John Wiley & Sons, Inc.: Publisher
And Mormons don't believe people should drink coffee or alcohol, should we expect a call to to return to prohibition if Romney's elected? Expect StarBucks to be closed?
A POTUS is entitled to personal opinions, they're also entitled to be denied when they attempt to alter Constitutional law based on those opinions unless and amendment passes thru the process.
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