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Old 07-28-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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What kind of Muslim would attend a Christian church for 20 years and call himself a Christian? Think about what you say.
Was there ever a renouncing of Islam and a Baptism into the Christian church? Do you have any shred of evidence the Obama ever renounced his childhood religion?

More is required to become a Christian than to be seen at a church now and then. Baptism for one.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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Personally, I think he is agnostic but professes to be Christian because it is politically expedient.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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Was there ever a renouncing of Islam and a Baptism into the Christian church? Do you have any shred of evidence the Obama ever renounced his childhood religion?

More is required to become a Christian than to be seen at a church now and then. Baptism for one.
Again, what kind of Muslim sits in a Christian church all his adult life? There is no such thing. And no, a baptism is certainly not a requirement for being Christian. You are completely ignorant about the topic and the more you say the worse you look.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Again, what kind of Muslim sits in a Christian church all his adult life? There is no such thing. And no, a baptism is certainly not a requirement for being Christian. You are completely ignorant about the topic and the more you say the worse you look.
First of all -- was he in church every Sunday? And yes, Baptism is a requirement.

Every religion has it's rules for membership -- under Islam, any child born to a Muslim father is a Muslim. Obama would have had to renounce his first religion and be baptised into Christianity but there is no evidence of that. And renouncing the previous faith is absolutely required in order to become a Christian -- but Islam does not allow apostacy.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:12 AM
 
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Half of Americans are idiots. This has never been in question.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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Again, what kind of Muslim sits in a Christian church all his adult life? There is no such thing. And no, a baptism is certainly not a requirement for being Christian. You are completely ignorant about the topic and the more you say the worse you look.
Islam Question and Answer - A small child follows the religion of whichever of his parents is Muslim

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: The child who is born to two Muslim parents is ruled to be a Muslim, according to scholarly consensus.

If the parents have different religions, then the child follows the one who is Muslim, whether it is the father or the mother.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: If the child's parents are both Muslims, then he is Muslim too, following his parents, according to the consensus of the Muslims. The same applies if his mother is Muslim, according to the majority of scholars such as Abu Haneefah, al-Shaafa’i and Ahmad. End quote from Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/437.

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah al-Kuwaitiyyah (4/270): The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that if the father becomes Muslim and he has young children, then these children are to be regarded as Muslim, following their father.

The majority (the Hanafis, Shaafa’is and Hanbalis) are of the view that what counts is the Islam of one of the parents, whether it is the father or mother, so the children are to be regarded as Muslims, following the parent, because Islam should prevail and not be prevailed over, because it is the religion of Allah that He is pleased
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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First of all -- was he in church every Sunday? And yes, Baptism is a requirement.

Every religion has it's rules for membership -- under Islam, any child born to a Muslim father is a Muslim. Obama would have had to renounce his first religion and be baptised into Christianity but there is no evidence of that. And renouncing the previous faith is absolutely required in order to become a Christian -- but Islam does not allow apostacy.
Maybe he doesn't give a rip about what Islam requires, or allows. I know I would not. Do you? Why the heck should anyone care what islam requires if you are a christian? A Christian is not required to attend church every Sunday, as a matter of fact you don't EVER need to go to church or be baptized to be christian. Obama chose to attend church, but even if he had not attended, it would not make him any more or less Christian. Obviously you don't even know what a Christian person is. It is not a "membership". A "church" according to the bible is NOT a building where people are supposed to go. The "church" are the people no matter where they are.

Your personal claims are your personal claims and they do not make anyone any more Muslim, or any less Christian, and that's a fact.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Very few Americans know what kind of "Christian" church he attended for over 20 years, have heard of Rev. Wright, and the hatred towards white people this church spewed. Much of the blame for the lack of knowledge about this goes to John McCain who refused to bring this subject up when he ran against Obama.

Even if Obama isn't a practicing Muslim he grew up with a heavy Muslim influence.Both his father and step father were Muslim. He spent a good portion of his childhood in Muslim Indonisia. He said the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound he has heard and that he will stand with the Muslims no matter what.

Plus the actions he has taken as President have advanced the agenda of radical Islam. In particular his support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and beyond.

So anyone who calls Obama a Muslim is more informed and less naive than someone who actually thinks Obama is a mainstream Christian.
All of 4 years, from ages 6-10, in Indonesia.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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Islam Question and Answer - A small child follows the religion of whichever of his parents is Muslim

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: The child who is born to two Muslim parents is ruled to be a Muslim, according to scholarly consensus.

If the parents have different religions, then the child follows the one who is Muslim, whether it is the father or the mother.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: If the child's parents are both Muslims, then he is Muslim too, following his parents, according to the consensus of the Muslims. The same applies if his mother is Muslim, according to the majority of scholars such as Abu Haneefah, al-Shaafa’i and Ahmad. End quote from Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/437.

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah al-Kuwaitiyyah (4/270): The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that if the father becomes Muslim and he has young children, then these children are to be regarded as Muslim, following their father.

The majority (the Hanafis, Shaafa’is and Hanbalis) are of the view that what counts is the Islam of one of the parents, whether it is the father or mother, so the children are to be regarded as Muslims, following the parent, because Islam should prevail and not be prevailed over, because it is the religion of Allah that He is pleased
Who cares? If my father had been a Muslim, I wouldn't give a rip. Why should any non Muslim care what they say?
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Who cares? If my father had been a Muslim, I wouldn't give a rip. Why should any non Muslim care what they say?
Exactly! That's like letting other countries define US citizenship.
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