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Runts with machete's who would chop you to bits if they wanted to get "personal". Do you actually think crime and murder would magically stop if guns were banned? Hell it would skyrocket.
During a break in the tattooing, Gower started arguing with the 49-year-old manm allegedly verbally threatened to kill him, and then armed himself with a machete, police said.
Police said Gower then started swinging the machete at the man and allegedly struck the man's head with the blunt edge of the weapon.
Gower allegedly continued swinging the machete toward the victim who used his hands and arms to deflect the machete, and then ran from the apartment in an attempt to seek safety.
Not the second guy in the first video. He was interviewed yesterday saying four shooters ran into the church. Fox only shows a part of his interview where he talks about the victims in the above video.
The guy in the youtube you posted said, "from what I've been told"........listen carefully. That means he is repeating what someone told him. He was NOT present. Didn't actually see anything. Another poster pointed out that fact up thread a bit.
The other guy you're talking about is the Secretary of the Temple, and, yes, he said "some people walked in and started shooting." That's one person so far. Do you have any others? The second guy with the glasses is talking about what he was told about what happened, NOT what he saw. He was not there. His uncle was there.
Do you suppose at any time any of the people in the temple saw police officers dressed in black?
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Aug 6 (Reuters) - Women at the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin were busily preparing lunch in the community kitchen on Sunday when two children burst in and screamed frantically they had seen a man with a gun outside.
It's not a democrat or a republican thing, but it is an extremist thing. Up until the 80's, most domestic terrorism was done by radical left wing groups, but after the fall of the soviet union and a successful fight by law enforcement to break up those radical left wing groups, it's moved almost entirely into an extremist right wing phenomena, and it's been that way for the last 30 years. I don't know what you mean by "that's what the government wants it to be." How do you make the numbers lie?
There's no evidence that the Batman theater killer was political one way or the other, nor the Virginia Tech shooter. The guy who shot up the Amish school was obsessed with molesting little girls but there's no evidence to think he was politically any kind of extremist. The Hmong guy who killed the hunters in Wisconsin probably didn't have any political agenda. The Gifford shooter was a liberal. The Unibomber was a liberal. It's far from being just some rightwing problem.
We're a heavily drugged society, kids are given powerful mind-altering drugs at very young ages, people think popping pills is the solution to every thing, and we're also a stressed society, lack of jobs, falling wages, people losing houses, plus many people don't have very strong family support systems. Kids are pressured to succeed and often to be what they are not or cannot be.
The guy in the youtube you posted said, "from what I've been told"........listen carefully. That means he is repeating what someone told him. He was NOT present. Didn't actually see anything. Another poster pointed out that fact up thread a bit.
I guess you didn't click on the first link. What a shock.
America needs to learn that unabashed, uncontrolled personal freedom with illusory economic freedoms is a failure of a way to live.
You don't have the freedom to yell fire in a crowded theatre. Neither should you have the freedom to promote a culture of hate.
Well -- there used to be these rules like "Don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't commit adultery, and so on, but those look too much like the Ten Commandments and so they can't be anywhere near the schools.
Can't have any Bible groups, nothing that even hints of religion or morality -- but you can find all the race groups in schools -- La Raza, Mecha, Black Panthers and so on -- presidential candidates even go in front of these racist groups to pander for votes -- racism is definitely allowed, but religion is not.
Now there's a guy who represents the worst of this society: supremely ignorant and barbaric. Racist and narrow-minded. He is a repulsive character. Striking out like this because of his ignorance and collosal insecurities despite living in a society which gives him every consideration because of his skin color. They don't get any lower than this form of sub-human.
Guns DO NOT belong in the hands of these types of ignorant souls.
Yes, and that same supreme court also upheld slavery, held that states could use eminent domain if it meant more tax revenue for their coffers, and found that corporations have the same rights as individuals.
They are a shining example of being correct 100% of the time, aren't they?
On the constitutional issues of each of these cases they ruled. You and many of us didn't like the results of those rulings but the Supreme Court does not legislate from the bench. They do not determine the morality of slavery or the fairness of emninent domain but only how the issues presented apply to the constitution. In the Dred Scott Decision, the issue wasn't whether slavery was moral or permissible but whether a non citizen had the right to sue. Since slaves were not considered citizens the only constitutional result was to say no and affirm the practice of slavery.
Not many approved of the decision on the healthcare law but the Supreme Court wasn't ruling on the popularity of the law but whether it met the criteria of being Constitutional law.
I'm getting the bigger picture now. You right wing absolutes feel you can pick and choose which part of the nation's foundations you want to support and which ones you will just ignore.
Well, without the Supreme Court, you have no Constitution. You could write the ten commandments on a piece of paper and pass it around the room to 20 intellegent people and you will get 20 different opinions for what it means. That's why the founding fathers created the Supreme Court. It is so powerful and important that their decisions on law as applied to the constitution means more than the power of the legislative branch, the executive branch and most of all, any opinions a kitchen table constitutionalist comes up with. They can only be overruled by a 2/3rds majority of a popular citizen's vote. We passed the 14th amendment to the constitution to overturn Dred Scott. Once appointed, they serve for life. There is no taint of political pandering. This is the way the founding fathers created the glue that holds the country's fabric together. If you deny the validity of the Supreme Court, then you are denying the very foundation of our great republic. When you invalidate the Supreme Court, you invalidate the entire structure of our nation as the founding fathers created it.
It would seem that your faction wants to destroy the republic and remake it into something else completely. We should all be very worried.
Anybody else we can throw on the old extermination list? How about drug dealers, people that use drugs and gang members? After all, 50% of US murders are gang\drug related. There is a single neighborhood in Chicago that has as much gun violence as the Sikh temple shootings EVERY TWO MONTHS.
In short, you've singled out the motivation and people that are probably involved in a few % of annual gun deaths and want them quarantined and exterminated.....but are ignoring the vast majority of the issue.
Seems like you are using the incident to go after people that you disagree with politically.....
Well I don't really see how Nazis are tolerated. A couple of generations ago, many thousands of good Americans gave their lives fighting the Nazis -- now they're here doing what they want in our country?
However -- if we eliminate one race group then we must eliminate them all -- no more race groups period -- which is fine with me but maybe not with the First Amendment. We are a different kind of country than we once were - at one time we would not have tolerated Nazis here and now we do. Of course at one time Communists weren't tolerated either and now they are.
I guess you didn't click on the first link. What a shock.
Yes, I did. You're wrong. One guy, the Secretary of the Temple, was making a statement. He said, "they" came in and started shooting. Do you have any other witnesses who made statements regarding the number of gunmen who came in and fired?
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