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Old 08-14-2012, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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The soviets had economic policies that slowed the concentration of wealth. It died. The chinese had economic policies that slowed the concentration of wealth.....they abandoned it. The north koreans...
are eating tree bark...
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Wealth is mostly concentrated among the few that were born to the purple or cheated the banks, stockholders or workers or all three. The guy that started Wall-mart worked for his wealth but his children did not and there are more of them than there are of him.
I don't think sports figures, musicians, authors of best sellers, designers, actors/actresses, and everyone else outside the policitical and corporate arenas were not born into their money. Would that exclude them from the 1%? You don't think that they take advantage of any tax break or loophole they can get?

Tiger Woods earnings, best year $110 million, worst year $58 million; Michael Jordon personal wealth is over $500 million; Le Bron James: $53 million dollars in one year through salary and endorsements; football player that contracts $100 million over 5 years (not including endorsements); Floyd Mayweather made $85 milion for spending less that 1 hour in the ring for 2 bouts. I don't hear people complaining about their wealth. I bet some people think it's great that they made so much money. What should be done about their children that will inherit from their parents?

Why do people think that only politicians and corporate CEOs are the 1%?
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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You RWNJ's will never be satisfied with anything less than a supreme leader elected by wealth to serve the greedy. Of course you all assume you will be raised by hard work to be one of the wealthy chosen to live amongst the rest of the chosen by Mammon. That delusion must make you feel special. The only problem with your dream is the supreme’s will exclude you from the table of the chosen just as certainly as they have excluded the already impoverished poor and low paid working people. They do not want a rising tide to elevate all ships. They want a rising tide to elevate their ship and let the rest of you drown.

Having a thriving working and middle class that can be obtained by economic policies that slow the concentration of wealth is anathema to you because it makes you realize your way to wealth is a snare and a delusion used to keep the power in the hands of the wealthy where it can be used to protect their exclusivity. The irony is the policies you espouse exclude you from prosperity as effectively as it excludes poor and low paid workers.
Greg! Greg! Put down your Saul Alinsky for just a minute. Do you really think that it benefits the wealthy to have a penurious underclass? If the poor and the working poor are impoverished who do you think will buy the products that the wealthy make and whose sale they depend upon to keep them wealthy? Don't you think that wealthy house builders have been severely impacted by the housing downturn? Poor people don't buy houses. A rising tide does lift all boats, as JFK understood. Your problem, and Obama's problem, is that the same rising tide will lift the boats of the already well-off. And that really sticks in your Marxist craw, doesn't it?
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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You RWNJ's will never be satisfied with anything less than a supreme leader elected by wealth to serve the greedy. Of course you all assume you will be raised by hard work to be one of the wealthy chosen to live amongst the rest of the chosen by Mammon. That delusion must make you feel special. The only problem with your dream is the supreme’s will exclude you from the table of the chosen just as certainly as they have excluded the already impoverished poor and low paid working people. They do not want a rising tide to elevate all ships. They want a rising tide to elevate their ship and let the rest of you drown.

Having a thriving working and middle class that can be obtained by economic policies that slow the concentration of wealth is anathema to you because it makes you realize your way to wealth is a snare and a delusion used to keep the power in the hands of the wealthy where it can be used to protect their exclusivity. The irony is the policies you espouse exclude you from prosperity as effectively as it excludes poor and low paid workers.
Greg, please explain to us which conservative, or group of conservatives, kept you from being successful enough to be wealthy? You harp about being "excluded from the table"......I want to know who chose how many seats would be at that table and who kept you from having one.

Thanks!
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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‎"A new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared." Doesn't our President know that that system been tried and proven to fail time and time again? -


He fails to grasp that this does not work.......



Obama: "A New Vision Of An America In Which Prosperity Is Shared" | RealClearPolitics
But Obama fancies himself a is a kindlier, gentler Mao, Stalin, Kim, etc.... all these libs think their egalitarian Utopian can become a reality, and they will be gentler tyrants then those mean old people of the past.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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‎"A new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared." Doesn't our President know that that system been tried and proven to fail time and time again? -
Shared prosperity was fundamental to American Revolution and the desire to create a society. I guess, it takes a real American to hate the idea.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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Wrong.

It sure sees to work well in the European countries where the "POOR" have been largely been brought into the middle class.
Said with a straight face after knowing what is going on in places like Italy and Greece?
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:02 PM
 
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Shared prosperity was fundamental to American Revolution and the desire to create a society. I guess, it takes a real American to hate the idea.
Americans give far and away more in charity than any other country. It's not even close. The Revolution came about because of taxes, remember?
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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Wrong.

It sure sees to work well in the European countries where the "POOR" have been largely been brought into the middle class. Even Canada where we seem to have a much better social net is a much happier country than the USA. "Sharing prosperity does not mean that you are giving anything away. It can mean as little as a livable minimum wage. It can, like Canada mean that you have universal health care coverage. It also can mean investing more in education and reducing the cost of higher education to enable upward mobility in the population. It can mean, stop giving government money to the richest corporations in the country,"Corporate welfare".

What you fail to grasp is that without good programmes that will fairly share the prosperity of the nation your country will fail more and more. Your already fractured society will become worse, your just incredible violent crime rate will get worse. Your country has the largest number of people in jail in the world. Expect that to grow. The people in poverty striken areas will get poorer and the lack of educational opertunities will keep them there.

So, not only are you wrong you are dead wrong. Do you really want to see your country fall back to the conditions that existed before there was any progress made in this area. Maybe you would like to see kids put back to work, after all what do I owe to some one else's kid. That's the mentality and that is exactly where it takes you when you begin to believe that you are not your neighbours keeper. Selfishness to the max and never thanking God that is not you who lives in horrible conditions without a pot to p in. You could be just one sickness or one accident away from joining the ranks of the unfortunate and if you ever did then you would be thankful you lived in a country that sees the wisdom of sharing.
Your country has a population of 34 million.......1/10th of the United States. Get back to us when you guys hit critical mass. You can lecture us when you have 330 Million people to share with. Deal?
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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So, who do you think deserves to get the Walmart fortune?
Id like to see a bigger dividend on the stock with 0 taxes...
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